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Old 07-10-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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No different from English!! During the height of their empire, they always stated that they were pure Anglo-Saxons, when whatever was left of Anglo-Saxons was testimonial after Normands scoured the island and packed them to Sotland and Constantinopla.

All empires have done the same, the most laughable attempts are new countries such as Italy, articulated around Romans and the Church, Germany, around Prussia (Baltics).

Americans kind of copied English as some sort of "Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Empire". But America is not Europe, and just as any nation in the Americas, people of pure European ancestry will be a minority in a couple or three generations, but they will do it intelligently without civil wars. American statesmen are not rednecks or bigots, they know history.gl
Americans did not copy the English, because in the beginning the thirteen colonies were predominantly populated by people of English and British ancestry. Therefore it was natural for them to have an Anglo-Saxon pattern of religion and political organization just like they had back where they came from. This became the foundation of the nation, despite the fact that other people emigrated there, the foundation remained the same. The English at the height had the right to show preference for their Anglo-Saxon ancestors, due to the fact that their nation was named after them, the language and culture was tied to them. Although Norman rule had an impact in bringing some Latin flavor to the English language, Normans were despised by the English. The same way the French hated their English invaders in northern France later. The Welsh archers were the most feared and despised by the French.

 
Old 07-10-2013, 11:45 PM
 
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EVERY single person in the Italian picture you could put into Dublin and people would take them for Irish first - EVERY ONE.
Jokes aside. According to the Irish Medical Journal of Science published in 1997, in a study on Ethnic Irish people, found 76 per cent to be quite fair-skinned(type I and II), 80 per cent had blue and green eyes, 69 per cent had brown hair of various shades. This would be much fairer-skinned and lighter-eyed, lighter-haired than the Italians! The Danes are similar in eye color, but blonder-haired at 67 per cent but still not as fair-skinned since 56 per cent( type I and II).

Italians according to a study done in 1999, show 44.5 per cent for skin type IV, meaning they tan easily and rarely burn which is not the case with the Irish and 10.3 per cent fair-skinned (type I and II).
 
Old 07-11-2013, 02:57 AM
 
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Probably when they made the survey they were nursing some Irish Whisky, or some pints of Guinness (a beer). Have you ever been to Ireland or to England?

What Easthome said is that you can place any of those Italians in Dublin, and everybody would take him for Irish, considering he's dressed as Irish and living in a similar weather at least six months.

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Old 07-11-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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Probably when they made the survey they were nursing some Irish Whisky, or some pints of Guinness (a beer). Have you ever been to Ireland or to England?

What Easthome said is that you can place any of those Italians in Dublin, and everybody would take him for Irish, considering he's dressed as Irish and living in a similar weather at least six months.

Let me try to explain, I know it's quite hard.

Europe is not Arkansas, were you have farms, towns and Indian reservations, and if you place an Indian in a peckerwood town he'll look out of place, or if you see a bracero he also looks out of place. An Italian is from the same continent (Europe) and related to Irish quite recently, 5000 or 7000 years ago or less. In Ireland, you find Irishers that look southern Italians, a lot.

It is not like in Arkansas.gl
I know both Italians, Irish or Germans are all Europeans and they have more in common with each other than with non-Europeans. There are overlaps between various European populations. However there are differences too. Well according to a study released by the Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands on August 7,2008. A genetical map was developed based on the comparison of DNA samples from 23 European countries of course of only ethnic Europeans. The genetic difference between north and south in Europe is greater than the east and west one. Most populations overlap intimately with their neighbors. Genetically speaking the most atypical European populations are that of Finland and Italy! The reasons given are that the Finns at one time were a very small population living in isolation for quite some time, while for Italy the Alps might have played a great role in isolating them but later Hannibal, Celtic and Germanic did influence the north, as well the expansion of the Roman Empire,etc... Yugoslavs had a great genetic variations overlapping with Greek, Romanian, Hungarian,Czech and even Italian ones. Germans are split in two groups northern Germans are closest to Danes, Dutch, Swedes, southern Germans to Austrians, Swiss and French. The Polish overlaps much more with Czechs and only very little with northern Germans. The Swiss are entirely closest to the French. The Irish are closest to the British ones quite difficult to separate them, easy to understand due to their islands location and their closest cousins on European mainland are in the Norwegian, Danish, Dutch cluster.

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Old 07-12-2013, 07:13 AM
 
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I confess i did not read all the thread but i hope you will appreciate a little contribution by an italian living in Italy (please, forgive my bad english).

I live in Rome and, from what i can see around me, some stereotypes could be true, some other less.

About hairs i think it would be better to distinguish between male and female population: although it's true that the most of italian men have dark hairs, among women ther are more blonde or light-brown haired subjects (compared to men). I'm not referring to any stats but i would say that italian women are about 45% dark haired, 40% light haired and 15% red haired (at least here in Rome). Among men proportions are more likely 60/35/5. Having said that, completely black hairs are very rare: for dark hairs i mean "dark brown" or "very dark brown".

About skin colour, i usually don't think to italians as particularly tan (tanned?) but when i see Dutch or British people (for example) i notice the difference. I generally don't see any difference instead, with French or Swiss.

All above is from my personal impressions and does not claim any scientific relevance. I hope i was helpful and feel free to ask questions.
 
Old 07-13-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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I confess i did not read all the thread but i hope you will appreciate a little contribution by an italian living in Italy (please, forgive my bad english).

I live in Rome and, from what i can see around me, some stereotypes could be true, some other less.

About hairs i think it would be better to distinguish between male and female population: although it's true that the most of italian men have dark hairs, among women ther are more blonde or light-brown haired subjects (compared to men). I'm not referring to any stats but i would say that italian women are about 45% dark haired, 40% light haired and 15% red haired (at least here in Rome). Among men proportions are more likely 60/35/5. Having said that, completely black hairs are very rare: for dark hairs i mean "dark brown" or "very dark brown".

About skin colour, i usually don't think to italians as particularly tan (tanned?) but when i see Dutch or British people (for example) i notice the difference. I generally don't see any difference instead, with French or Swiss.

All above is from my personal impressions and does not claim any scientific relevance. I hope i was helpful and feel free to ask questions.
Yes it's true that pure jet-black hair does not predominate in most European populations, the usual darkest colors are blackish-brown and deep dark brown even in your country or Spain. It's all gradual anyway hair color lightens as one goes north and doesn't jump suddenly from very dark to very light.
Scientists have known for a while that despite the fact that Europeans are genetically quite similar to each other, there are differences between groups and the biggest difference lies between north and south, then secondly east and west. In the Northern vs Southern Europe, pigmentation shows that people with Northern European ancestry are more likely to have blue eyes and blonde hair, while the hair and eyes of people with Southern European ancestry is most likely to be brown. Obviously not all Northern Europeans have blonde hair and blue eyes and not all Southern Europeans have dark hair and brown eyes. So genetic ancestry account for a large part in the variety of hair and eye colors, other factors are involved as well. In the map below for eye color, shows that the likelihood of having for example blue vs brown eyes correlates strongly with genetic ancestry within Europe.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Italy
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This is interesting but i'm surprised by the part about less differences between east and west: a spanish looks very different from a bulgarian, to me.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Let's take a look at Italy's top ranked tennis players.

Andreas Seppi
http://www.lta.org.uk/3G/Tournaments...Seppi_SA93.jpg

Fabio Fognini
http://realztenisfanz.files.wordpres...ni-fabio02.jpg

Paolo Lorenzi
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/S...a5PXwFKOol.jpg

Filippo Volnandri
http://www.livetennisguide.com/wp-co...o-Volandri.jpg

Simone Bolelli
http://topnews.in/files/images/SimoneBolelli1_1.jpg

Matteo Viola
http://sgs-spittal.at/sektionen/tenn...eo%20viola.jpg

Flavio Cipolla
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B4M1cFkdyn...+Cipolla+2.jpg

Simone Vagnozzi
http://www.leonard-bet.ucoz.ru/foto/...E_VAGNOZZI.jpg

Riccardo Bellotti
http://tennis-pronostics.com/sites/d...bellotti_0.jpg

Thomas Fabbiano
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/T...FBYLO7eepx.jpg
 
Old 07-19-2013, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Yes, this is a fairly good method ;-)

If you like sports you can also look at italians athletes in the upcoming swimming world championship and athletics world championship (very few in this sport :-( )
 
Old 07-19-2013, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Top ranked Italian women tennis players.

Sara Errani
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/S...R8mh7JFgsx.jpg

Roberta Vinci
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8366/8...45c915b6_z.jpg

Franesca Schiavone
http://www.forumpakistan.com/images/...-Schiavone.jpg

Karin Knapp
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/K...oomlnsNm9l.jpg

Flavia Pennetta (easily the cutest thus far)
http://www.sportfems.com/wp-content/...ching-kids.jpg

Camila Giorgi
http://answers.bettor.com/images/Art...012-189530.jpg

Nastassja Burnett
http://qn.quotidiano.net/sport/tenni...aaba0b8976.jpg

Corinna Dentoni
http://img.plug.it/sg/sportuni/uploa...na-dentoni.jpg

Maria Elena Camerin
http://www.wta96.com/wiki/images/e/e...shop_used).jpg

Alberta Brianti
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6125/...fe82282d19.jpg
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