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Old 12-10-2016, 06:46 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Why not ask it this way, what would Russia stand to gain by granting independence to Kaliningrad? If not much, then what other reason would Russia have to give it up?
The benefit would be that they wouldn't have to continue to subsidize it and spend money shipping supplies of various sorts in.
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Old 12-10-2016, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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The benefit would be that they wouldn't have to continue to subsidize it and spend money shipping supplies of various sorts in.
But it's extremely strategic land. If Russia has a hard time giving up a few small Islands north of Japan, what makes you think it would ever give up Kaliningrad, that has a much higher population, better climate, and arguably way more strategic. If Russia is going to willingly give up any land in the foreseeable future it would be a few of the southern Kuril Islands. The islands that Russia is willing to give up, in order to create peace with Japan are Shikotan and the Habomai Islands. They had this offer up since Soviet times, but Japan won't accept them until they are also given Iturup and Kunashir Island, otherwise no deal. Furthermore Kaliningrad Oblast has a lot going for it too, for instance it has 90% of the world's amber deposits and in 2013 Russia passed a law banning exportation of raw amber in order to boost amber processing in Russia, and preferably in Kaliningrad. They also have a strong fishing industry and a few automotive assembling factories. The oblast is self sufficient in energy and has pretty good tourist industry as well. One thing that Russia could do is make it a free port similar to what they did in Vladivostok.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_port_of_Vladivostok
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Old 12-10-2016, 11:06 PM
 
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But it's extremely strategic land. If Russia has a hard time giving up a few small Islands north of Japan, what makes you think it would ever give up Kaliningrad, that has a much higher population, better climate, and arguably way more strategic. If Russia is going to willingly give up any land in the foreseeable future it would be a few of the southern Kuril Islands. The islands that Russia is willing to give up, in order to create peace with Japan are Shikotan and the Habomai Islands. They had this offer up since Soviet times, but Japan won't accept them until they are also given Iturup and Kunashir Island, otherwise no deal. Furthermore Kaliningrad Oblast has a lot going for it too, for instance it has 90% of the world's amber deposits and in 2013 Russia passed a law banning exportation of raw amber in order to boost amber processing in Russia, and preferably in Kaliningrad. They also have a strong fishing industry and a few automotive assembling factories. The oblast is self sufficient in energy and has pretty good tourist industry as well. One thing that Russia could do is make it a free port similar to what they did in Vladivostok.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_port_of_Vladivostok
I agree, it's strategic land. So what's this I heard somewhere that it was considering offering it to Belarus, back around 1991, when the gov't was broke?


I don't see why Russia should be giving away islands. Why not declare all those islands a marine sanctuary? They used to be rich fishing grounds of the Ainu people.
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Old 12-11-2016, 01:09 AM
 
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lol! That's so funny! Sometimes these discussions devolve into the absurd. I get your point, but it's still funny.

And don't assume anything yet about the "next US President". Wait until December 20, when the Electoral College people cast their votes. It's not over until the fat lady sings. Remember that.
you still dream of a Clinton presidency?? That won't happen. Everyone knows. Clinton knows. God, you guys are unbelievable. She lost, and that's final. Stop day dreaming..
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Old 12-11-2016, 01:10 AM
 
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The benefit would be that they wouldn't have to continue to subsidize it and spend money shipping supplies of various sorts in.
France subsidizes French Guiana etc massively. I don't think it will give up the territory any time soon.
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Old 12-11-2016, 10:07 AM
 
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I agree, it's strategic land. So what's this I heard somewhere that it was considering offering it to Belarus, back around 1991, when the gov't was broke?
It was offered to the Lithuanian SSR during Soviet times, but Lithuania refused, as it didn't want a huge ethnic Russian minority.

If only...
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Old 12-11-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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you still dream of a Clinton presidency?? That won't happen. Everyone knows. Clinton knows. God, you guys are unbelievable. She lost, and that's final. Stop day dreaming..
No, not at all. I never dreamed of a Clinton presidency, lol. You're making an awful lot of assumptions. And you clearly have no idea how the Electoral College process works. Oh well.
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Old 12-11-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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It was offered to the Lithuanian SSR during Soviet times, but Lithuania refused, as it didn't want a huge ethnic Russian minority.

If only...
Well, Lithuania could pull a Stalin move, and deport the Russians. Or simply require them to learn Lithuanian in order to have citizen privileges. That worked pretty well elsewhere in the Baltics. IMO Lithuania would be the best option, since the territory used to be Baltic-speaking, once upon a time, and Lithuania already grabbed a slice of it in-between the World Wars.
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Old 12-12-2016, 12:26 AM
 
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Well, Lithuania could pull a Stalin move, and deport the Russians. Or simply require them to learn Lithuanian in order to have citizen privileges. That worked pretty well elsewhere in the Baltics. IMO Lithuania would be the best option, since the territory used to be Baltic-speaking, once upon a time, and Lithuania already grabbed a slice of it in-between the World Wars.
Doesn't Lithuania already have knowing Lithuanian as a prerequisite to citizenship which is why a lot of older Russian people don't have citizenship since they don't speak Lithuanian proficiently?
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Old 12-12-2016, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Australia
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The place is 90% ethnic Russian, rest are Ukrainians and other slavs. So forget about the independence.

And any countries (Poland, Lithuania etc) that goes anywhere near it will get their ass nuked. NATO won't defend them either, annexing lands are a big no-no.
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