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Isn't it pretty obvious that object704 is ROL's new account?
Yep, rebranding.
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The Estonian cities seemed to be the richest, followed by Riga and then Vilnius.
For many Moscow looks like a city of millionaires - but that's a result of a freaking inequality, and not venturing outside of the most glamorous places.
There is no argument - you just refuse to accept statistics, even though they are perfectly valid. Your argument is to debunk everything that says Russia is not what you perceive it to be, and then you proceed to mention Russian billionaires and Moscow, the city of millionaires (who cares?). You aways contradict yourself by quoting PPP figures from the OECD and then lambast PPP as being 'always wrong', even though it is perfectly valid, since it is adjusted to reflect variable exchange rates, and it certainly isn't anything like the flawed GDP per capita.
Either way, Russia is not a member of the OECD, so can you give me the links to where it says Russia has a higher wage on average than Estonia? I can't find such a thing anywhere.
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No reason to argue with you. You just told us that Finland isn't rich and Estonia is the poorest country of the Baltics. But it was nice of you admitting that you are ROL.
There is no argument - you just refuse to accept statistics, even though they are perfectly valid.
I am the only one here, who provided stats. Show some others - maybe mine are wrong. More so - I just told that they ARE wrong.
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Your argument is to debunk everything that says Russia is not what you perceive it to be, and then you proceed to mention Russian billionaires and Moscow, the city of millionaires (who cares?).
Seeing only what you want to see? Did you notice me calling my home city a piece of sh.t? Or Moscow the same? Or Russian health care? Or crime/prison rates? Etc. etc. etc.
I've got a very simple position in life - truth is eternal.
And truth is - Russia is a developed (not stone age, like Ruth claimed) high income country with a pretty low (by my standards, at least) quality of life.
Not all people here are happy with my claims that incomes in Russia are high, but I provided more than enough proof already. Including a comparison of wages in Vladivostok and Minneapolis - both of which Jeff, who is not too fond of Russia, knows about.
Why blame me for telling the truth? If I'm proved wrong - I instantly accept it. I'm not some freak, who considers himself a demigod, who can't possibly be wrong.
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You aways contradict yourself by quoting PPP figures from the OECD and then lambast PPP as being 'always wrong', even though it is perfectly valid, since it is adjusted to reflect variable exchange rates, and it certainly isn't anything like the flawed GDP per capita.
1. I quote OECD, because that's the best source I know - the most extensive.
2. I accept their PPP for Russia. But for Estonia stats look totally wrong - official salaries, PPP, or both. Can you imagine living in US for $400 or even less? Estonians don't live under the bridges, and don't eat insects.
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Either way, Russia is not a member of the OECD
OECD calculates PPP for Russia.
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so can you give me the links to where it says Russia has a higher wage on average than Estonia? I can't find such a thing anywhere.
But, I've got no idea how accurate Estonian stats are. Back then I couldn't find any info. Maybe there's some info in Estonian.
Yet, it's safe to assume that Russia is much richer than Estonia - the statistical difference is way too high. Also, from personal experiences (not only mine) - all Russian neibourghs (Japan and US aside) are much poorer. Money is something we've got aplenty.
You can easily understand that it's not something I'm proud about - because I'm a socialist (Keyneisian), and I consider the quality of life here to be subpar.
But when somebody says that Russia is poor... it's simply not true. Not today.
Alright, so essentially you have figures for Russia but not for Estonia, so you are just assuming that Estonia is poorer than Russia, or assuming that the figures for Estonia are wrong.
You also want to believe that Russia is wealthier than Finland, which is definitely bizarre. I can't imagine many people agree with you, unless you have your very own alternate reality.
Alright then. That's all I needed to know. You're not being serious, you're pulling my leg.. very funny.
Anyway, here are some stats from the International Labour Organization, a serious organization: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17543356 - no, this isn't western propaganda, just because it features in the BBC.
I can't call Russia poor but I can't call it wealthy either. Yeah, there's a lot of money in Russia, but that money is not held by most people, but a few billionaires, like in the US, difference being the average person in the US has more money than their Russian counterparts.
Also, I can't see any links on that thread stating that Russia is wealthier than Estonia. Any links? Direct links? To the actual source? Please? No stats saying how most Estonians preferred life in the Soviet Union.
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Alright, so essentially you have figures for Russia but not for Estonia, so you are just assuming that Estonia is poorer than Russia, or assuming that the figures for Estonia are wrong.
Somebody needs to learn to read... For Estonia I have official salaries and OECD PPP. But it's obvious that $400 average doesn't tell the whole story, because you can't possibly live on that in US.
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You also want to believe that Russia is wealthier than Finland, which is definitely bizarre. I can't imagine many people agree with you, unless you have your very own alternate reality.
Oki-doki - you're a Russia hater. Lets stop arguing, without providing facts to back every claim. Or better yet - stop arguing at all, at least until next year.
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Anyway, here are some stats from the International Labour Organization, a serious organization: BBC News - Where are you on the global pay scale? - no, this isn't western propaganda, just because it features in the BBC.
Whatever it is - it doesn't represent reality in Russia. We've got grey incomes - you've heard about it, and probably seen me proving it.
Use a real income (or salary), multiplied by OECD consumer PPP. Unless you can provide a better measurement.
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I can't call Russia poor but I can't call it wealthy either. Yeah, there's a lot of money in Russia, but that money is not held by most people, but a few billionaires, like in the US
I don't give a damn about super-rich. When I'm talking about Russia - I mean its people.
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difference being the average person in the US has more money than their Russian counterparts.
You haven't proven anything unfortunately. You have not proven that Russia is wealthier than Estonia, nor have you proven that Russia is wealthier than Finland, nor have you proven that Russia is wealthier than the US. The only thing you have proven so far is that Americans have more debt than Russians. You don't even have the courtesy to directly compare the 'OECD consumer PPP' of Russia and Estonia on here.
Also, I've checked the OECD website and cannot find any data for Russia. I'll ask again, can you provide me with a direct source/link? You can't honestly expect me take your word for it. Provide me with a link to the Russian data and I can make direct comparisons, simple.
Nobody agrees with you - I think that tells you something.
PS - I'm not a Russia hater, I'm just a you hater.
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