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Old 12-13-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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A lot of Europeans are atheist. Some of them I've encountered on C-D seem to have such a hatred for religion that they would tear down all the houses of worship if they could get away with it. Are Europeans taught from an early age that religion is evil and that the world's problems would melt away like ice on a hot sidewalk if religion disappeared?

http://blog.acton.org/archives/36847...in-europe.html

 
Old 12-13-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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We're not taught that religion is evil at all, most Europeans just don't care about religion but still enjoy the cultural traditions.

Some countries in Europe are still highly religious though, such as Poland, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, etc.

That article is incredibly biased btw (and so are the responses), I don't know why anyone bothers reading trash like that.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 12:43 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Linda,

What "cultural traditions" are you refering to?
Religious holidays, religious schools (although they're usually only religious in name), religious ceremonies like baptisms/weddings/funerals, etc.

For example, I am an atheist and so is my entire family (except for my now deceased grandfather) but we are still culturally Catholic. I went to Catholic schools, I was baptized, did the holy communion and the confirmation, I celebrate Christian holidays, etc. This is not uncommon for many Europeans.

Edit: is it just me or did your post disappear? Strange
 
Old 12-13-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Europa is an area governed by lefts who hate religion and want to annihilate it.Therefore it has already today extremely low birth rates, lack of morality, completely destroyed familial life and probably no future.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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A lot of Europeans are atheist. Some of them I've encountered on C-D seem to have such a hatred for religion that they would tear down all the houses of worship if they could get away with it. Are Europeans taught from an early age that religion is evil and that the world's problems would melt away like ice on a hot sidewalk if religion disappeared?

Is Folk Atheism Becoming the Dominant Religion in Europe? | @ActonInstitute PowerBlog
The article is very one-sided and it's always dangerous to assume that one person's opinion defines an entire continent. There are religious people all over Europe, north and south, east and west. The difference is that most of them don't make a huge deal about their faith. They don't beat their chests and declare their religion in some effort to make themselves seem more important or better than other people. Europeans also don't join a church like it's a country club (a concept in the US that I've always found very peculiar). I don't think that being religious automatically defines one as a moral person. There are plenty of people who are kind, thoughtful, considerate, sincere, generous, etc without having a religion.

After 7 years compulsory church attendance, compulsory religious education and compulsory religious school assembly, I still manage have a faith, it's just not defined by the Church.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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Because believing in a god is rather stupid.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 05:49 PM
 
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most Europeans just don't care about religion but still enjoy the cultural traditions.
This is the impression I had of the US, but it must be a regional thing.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 07:07 PM
 
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A lot of Europeans are atheist. Some of them I've encountered on C-D seem to have such a hatred for religion
1. For a period of around 150 years, Europeans fought brutal civil wars ostensibly over - or at least blamed on - religion, even to the point where some fled the continent (catholics vs protestants and among protestants). In any case, those wounds still bleed, or at least the historical memory of them.

2. Industrial revolution.

3. Socialism.

Nowadays stomachs are full from cradle to grave, and there is relative social peace, post-WWII Europe's greatest achievement.


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Some countries in Europe are still highly religious though, such as Poland, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, etc.
Hogwash. Countries do not have a relationship with God, individual people do (or don't). The OP phrased it correctly.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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There is a saying that I heard once in Germany when somebody was mentioning how big is the catholic faith in Poland: the poor people are more religious.

Western Europeans are pretty well taken care, social security, schools, health. US is not the same, somebody that is unemployed or working jobs on minimum wage has an infinitely harder time than their European counter parts. It is shocking what levels of poverty and lack of social services you can see in US.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 09:18 PM
 
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We're not taught that religion is evil at all, most Europeans just don't care about religion but still enjoy the cultural traditions.

Some countries in Europe are still highly religious though, such as Poland, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, etc.

That's a stereotype that continues to function.
The society in Poland is changing rapidly. The church in Poland lost its authority and credibility and the population is moving toward a more secular view of life.
The statistics state that only 41% of people attend Sunday mass, and in the big cities even less ( 20%). Only 7% say they are "strong believers".
Also less than 40% agree with church views about divorces, abortion laws, or in-vitro fertilization.
As LindavG mentioned earlier - most are Catholics in a cultural way. They celebrate holidays and observe traditions, but do not pray or go to church.
There are some strong anti-clerical movements. People do not like its influence in the politics, or debates over social issues.
Younger people are more open minded, the older generation does not want to leave church, but their tendency to disagree with the church has become more apparent.
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