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Old 06-03-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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Psalm №1. Otava Yo and Kotov.



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Old 06-03-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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[Mod cut: language]

And it's cool.

Сидоджи Дубоsh*t и Грязный Рамирес (Sidogee Dubossh*t and Dirty Ramirez)


https://youtu.be/5UUPlilCVDA


https://youtu.be/S3ePt_3g3Hg


https://youtu.be/hbil61gJYcI

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Old 06-04-2018, 04:00 AM
 
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For one let's pretend England is part of Europe:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OO...U&pbjreload=10
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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Kosovo Albanian

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Old 06-13-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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Old 06-16-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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No I don't understand, but as I've pointed to Maxim - this whole "bard" genre ( where the importance of the poetry is supported by more simple, repetitious music) came to Russia not from some "metal," but indeed from France, ( not sure when though.)
No! Russian metal came from "bard" genre.
A guy with a guitar is very important in Russia. The key figure is Vysotsky. He combined power and pain (main factors of art) of street music and highest level of language. He set the standard for street music in Russia. Metal, punk and rap came later and could not have texts about yellow submarines, it was too primitive for Russian listeners.

The influence of bards (guys with a guitar) was so great that leading metal bands hired professional poets to write texts (for example, Margarita Pushkina and Alexander Elin wrote for Aria). Also, most performers often play their songs with acoustic guitars (acoustic concerts). The greatest man of the next generation (80-90 years of the 20th century) of Russian street-musicians Yegor Letov said "If you can not play a song with acoustic guitar, then song is s**t."

Examples of such acoustic performances:
Metal:

https://youtu.be/4F8RRPYmvnE
Punk:

https://youtu.be/kNd7LwbOv54

https://youtu.be/S7H8BOHFns8
Rap:

https://youtu.be/Szwp3c8nFsM

So, roots of Russian metal in the mental sense is music of bards (author's songs) of the mid-20th century.

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Old 06-16-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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street music = music of streets (guy's music from streets)
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Old 06-16-2018, 05:32 PM
 
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No! Russian metal came from "bard" genre.
A guy with a guitar is very important in Russia. The key figure is Vysotsky. He combined power and pain (main factors of art) of street music and highest level of language. He set the standard for street music in Russia. Metal, punk and rap came later and could not have texts about yellow submarines, it was too primitive for Russian listeners.

The influence of bards (guys with a guitar) was so great that leading metal bands hired professional poets to write texts (for example, Margarita Pushkina and Alexander Elin wrote for Aria). Also, most performers often play their songs with acoustic guitars (acoustic concerts). The greatest man of the next generation (80-90 years of the 20th century) of Russian street-musicians Yegor Letov said "If you can not play a song with acoustic guitar, then song is s**t."
It's funny that you are pointing at Visotsky as a "key figure" for Russian "bard" genre.
Because in this case you will have to agree that Russian "bard" genre is directly related to France.
Which, in turn, has nothing to do with "Yellow submarine" or any Anglo-music, since in Anglo music beat/melody is a primary thing, while poetry plays a supportive role.
You apparently project the same idea on French music, but it's not a case.
The French, like Russians ( or rather vice versa) put stress onto poetry, while music plays a supportive role. ( Not ALWAYS of course, as it is a case in Russian, but for the most part.)
And that's where a "guy with a guitar" comes from in Russia - straight from the 18th century;

"Russian romance or Russian Gypsy song (Russian: рома́нс románs) is a type of sentimental sung poetry with hints of Gypsy influence that was developed in Imperial Russia by such composers as Alexander Alyabyev (1787–1851), Alexander Varlamov (1801–48), and Alexander Gurilyov (1803–58).[1]

By the early 20th century, several types of the Russian romance had emerged. An elite type of the Italianate opera-influenced song known as the "salon romance" is contrasted to the lower-class genre of "cruel romance" which features "senitimental courtship, illicit love, pained rejection, and often suicide".[2] The latter is supposed to have given birth to the Russian chanson."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_romance

Pay attention that ORIGINALLY any vocal musical piece written in French ( even if it was written by a Russian composer) was identified as "romance." Later the meaning of the word was obviously changed, but "chanson" is still retained in Russian language, as much as "romance." ( Now famous Russian Ballet came to Russia from the same ( French) direction originally, but you are probably aware of THAT part.)
It's just "Russian romance" evolved with time, but Vysotsky out of all people couldn't miss the connection.

So here is a couple of French singers for you ( VS Anglo-Music - just to get a feel )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCHi5apc1lQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8l4...TyS1P1iAi-Gntu

And this is Vysotsky "Song about the Earth."( One of my favorite songs. Here is translation more or less: )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5PlgV5IaE8

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Old 06-16-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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There is a reason you see why he went with his concert to France out of all places.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBmYsyiEiOs

(Does the connection sound more obvious NOW? )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSr8UpuJI78



As for "metal" - this genre came from Anglo world all right, simply Russians couldn't help but to keep their traditions of poetry. Otherwise this particular genre wouldn't have any weight ( or attention) in the society for obvious reason ( there SHOULD be a message in music in order to be considered an "art," or else.)
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:25 PM
 
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Oh look what else I found Maxim - specially for you.

These are Visotsky's songs ( yes, THE VLADIMIR VISOTSKY - the soul and blood of Russia,) sung in French language ( by French Canadian in this case.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-64...=RDw-6477Y-BTI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPsv...dex=78&list=WL

( Here is his full album - "Volodia," - a good album by the way.

And this is La fin du bal/Interrupted flight ( "Прерванный полёт") in French yet again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shisxIsHC3M

( You might want to listen it as a cover, to recognize it better, as in your "guy with a guitar")


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifwb06gBwko

I think I rest my case.

You guys over there think that you are sooooooo special, like no one else, just because you are "no Anglos," when it comes to Russian culture. But guess what - the fact that you are "nothing like Anglos" doesn't mean that you are "nothing like the continentals."
And this example with "blood and soul of Russia" - ( which Visotsky definitely IS) is a good proof of it, right there.

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