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Originally Posted by pigeonhole
@ Mooseketer :
You can argue all you want and try to demonize and even restrict the freedoms of those who oppose gay marriage, (you are even ready to send them to jail and when one knows the infra human conditions in French jails- where homosexual rape is frequent by the way-it tells a lot about your respect of human rights).
But facts are facts and and the way you present homosexuality with rose coloured glasses -frankly that makes me sad for you.
- Fact n° 1 : to say that the whole LGBT community is in favour of gay marriage is a fallacy. A fair number of homosexuals are against gay marriage, amongthem one of the founder of the French equivalent of the US Christopher street movement, another one was at the head of the demonstrations against GM.
- Fact n° 2 : those who are in favour do not hide the fact that if they want to marry , it's to adopt children or have access to in vitro fertilization. They don't care if the child will grow without father or mother as long as they can satisfy they "right to have a child" . That's gross ! That's selfish! A child needs his dad and his mama.
Fact n° 3 : gay people are among the wealthiest in society, in the upper revenue brackets. They fancy to marry and have children because they crave bourgeois respectability. And they don't give a damn if thus doing they put society helter skelter. "My right, my love, my pleasure" could be thier motto / whats "progressive" about this?
quite the contrary as Sigmund Freud would put it it's "regressive"!
How is it "progressive" to give the right to a privileged few to buy the babies of poor mothers that they will pay to get pregnant and then after 12 months give the baby to them ? It's a monstrosity!
Now if gays want to a civil union which would be a specific gay "marriage" without the "right to children", I'm all for it of course!
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Well I guess Gay people who are are against Gay marriage don't have to marry... Simple. Problem solved.
I have no problem with Gay people adopting. So your point simply means bubkes to me. I was raised by a single Father, my Mother being shall we say not someone who really ought to have children. I do not feel deprived.
The most important thing for a Child is to feel loved, accepted, wanted and to be respected and encouraged to blossom and educated to become a productive member of society. Mixed sex couples can do wonders , so can same sex couples. Parents come in different shapes, sex and sizes and sex combinations. Loving adults is what counts, good role models. Parenting success is a mixture of a myriad of things.
Most kids do not care who loves them as long as they loved and cared for. Grand-Parents can do as good a job as a Mum and Dad for example.
One single father or mother can be as effective as two parents. It depends on the parents and general circumstances of the environment a child will grow in. Single mothers tend to be demonised in our society but what we really mean is single POOR uneducated Mothers who have little to no support and do not have the tools to provide financially, emotionally or socially for their children. Social deprivation is indeed a huge problem when it comes to single parenthood.
But then again in that kind of environment many two parents families still struggle and fail.
I know a few Gay couples with Kids, their kids are all highly functioning emotionally and socially, all are doing extremely well at school and academically as well as socially. The problem lies not with the Gay couple but with bigots and bullies who will make a child feel like a freak. Time to ostracise the bullies and bigots rather than the kids of Gay children.
Most of the "homosexual" rape in jails , French or otherwise is perpetrated by Heterosexuals by the way. Get your facts straight, Like all rapes it is about power first and foremost not about sex. Sexual violence as punishment, same in war torn countries where rape is a tool commonly used by people who are very much heterosexual to terrorise victims into submission. I do not condone rape and the state should deal with it. And yes I do care about Human Rights. I have been working for Amnesty and other human rights organisations since I was 13. Human rights abuses are rife in most prisons, a terrible and sad fact of life. All I can do is lobby to try and lessen those, I am not God, I cannot stop evil men doing evil things. What about your contempt for the rights of Gay people to be given equality before the law.
If you break the law you go to jail. If I decided to break the law I would end up in jail why should a bigotted mayor be different ? Perhaps they should get another job if they cannot even abide by the Law of the country they claim to serve. How can you wear the tricolore stripes if you blatantly refuse to serve and obey the law of the country ? It would be like a judge deciding which piece of legislation to abide by or not...
If they want to protest it that is their prerogative. Why they should be treated differently than anyone else is beyond me. Everyone should be equal before the law.
Even if you are right and Gay people only seek to marry to be socially accepted into the conformist bourgeois mindest of society what it that a problem ? Marriage is after all a conformist notion for ALL people getting married as well as a way to achieve equality before the law. If I am entitled to marry then so should any Gay couple. My sexual orientation is no more superior than my Gay friends'.
And how grandiosely Bourgeois and dare I say reactionary of you to be so opposed to Gay Marriage. I guess you are far more Bourgeois than you claim to be. You always seem so eager to distance yourself from the snooty French Bourgeoisie and their appalling snobbery and social regressive attitudes and yet you sound like something from "Madame Figaro" or "La Croix".... How ironic. Denouncing those people and yet espousing their views seems a little hypocritical does it not ?
And I feel rather sad for you too. I find prejudiced people rather pathetic , and can never fathom what could possibly motivate a seemingly intelligent person to deny others equality before the law.
Don't like Gay marriage ? Then don't get married to a Guy. If someone was forcing you to marry another man I would be the first to jump to your defense and protect your right to being heterosexual..... But until then a little humanity and common sense would not hurt.
I obviously gave you more credit than you deserved. I thought you were better than this. More evolved. I guess all the rants and diatribes were actually a pretty good indication of you as a human being. You live and learn I guess.
The ignore button beckons. I am very ill at the moment and do not need the aggro. I shall spare my blood pressure.