Who are Iberians really closest to? (characteristics, property, Swiss, haplogroup)
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The genetic impact of Arabs, Jews in Spanish people is residual. It is similar to other Western European countries and higher the further east you go in Europe. On the peninsula the Celtiberians always been the majority. The Spanish are very homogeneous, no major differences.
You have to look at the haplogroup E1b1 Middle East and Jewish J. The values are similar to Western European countries or even smaller. I'm no geneticist
Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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Spaniards in Andalusia look more "exotic" and even "Middle Eastern" to a certain degree due to centuries of Moorish, Gitano and Jewish influence. The Catalans on average, however, don't look different from the French or many people in Central Europe.....
Andalusia consist in eight provinces, so I show you how their inhabitants look:
Hey! I never said that Spanish women aren't beautiful especially looking like the Cantabrian and Castillian ladies but as a whole they are more like other Southern Europeans in pigmentation on average than they would to Northern/Western Europeans. Yes there are blonde, blue-eyed, fair-skinned Spanish people as there are blonde Italian/Greek women as well. Though within the Southern European region, Spaniards and Portuguese look more "western" in comparison to Greeks, Bulgarians who would look more "eastern". Now you can get Iberian individuals who look French, Belgian, British, Dutch, German,etc... but they are not your average Iberian person.
The German individual below is a typical Western European person, but wouldn't be your average Spaniard by any means.
These two individuals look typically "British Isles or insular Celtic", would not be your average in Spain either. See what I mean? Iberian are much more like Southern European people, it shouldn't surprise anyone because of the geographical location as well.
Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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Hey! I never said that Spanish women aren't beautiful especially looking like the Cantabrian and Castillian ladies but as a whole they are more like other Southern Europeans in pigmentation on average than they would to Northern/Western Europeans. Yes there are blonde, blue-eyed, fair-skinned Spanish people as there are blonde Italian/Greek women as well. Though within the Southern European region, Spaniards and Portuguese look more "western" in comparison to Greeks, Bulgarians who would look more "eastern". Now you can get Iberian individuals who look French, Belgian, British, Dutch, German,etc... but they are not your average Iberian person.
We are not like northern Europeans in hair or eyes colour, (we are just like Italian or Greeks), but we are a bit lighter and taller than other Southern Europeans in pigmentation on average.
Thus, our average face shapes are more related to French people than Italian or Greek ones.
Anyway, there is no problem with how average Italian or Greeks people look.
Hey! I never said that Spanish women aren't beautiful especially looking like the Cantabrian and Castillian ladies but as a whole they are more like other Southern Europeans in pigmentation on average than they would to Northern/Western Europeans. Yes there are blonde, blue-eyed, fair-skinned Spanish people as there are blonde Italian/Greek women as well. Though within the Southern European region, Spaniards and Portuguese look more "western" in comparison to Greeks, Bulgarians who would look more "eastern". Now you can get Iberian individuals who look French, Belgian, British, Dutch, German,etc... but they are not your average Iberian person.
The German individual below is a typical Western European person, but wouldn't be your average Spaniard by any means.
To me, he has a face from central Europe. German/Polish/Czech/North of Italy. But, of course, thanks to population movement, you can find this kind of face anywhere in Europe.
Are you sure that you're so close to the British/Irish, I would differ. See what genetical studies puts your population in Southern Europe. The paler complexion is probably due to more Celtic admixture in comparison to Italians/Greeks, however you are still more or less southerners. The populations here were placed Hungarian, Ukrainian, Polish, Swedish, Irish and German on one hand, the other side we have Ashkenazi, Greek, Italian2, Italian 1, Spanish and Portuguese. Those are the population you might be close too.
Why are so many trolls, or probably the same troll, purporting to be Spanish?
Quite puzzling.
Those girls are not Catalan but descendants of Spanish immigrants, the difference is not physical but rather on their poise, stance.
There are not discernible physical differences among Spanish due to the fact that during the Reconquest, all lands were resettled and there was a gigantic ethnical cleansing, the largest in human history.
The "moorish" expelled during the 17th century were mostly ethnic Spanish that became Muslims, and later Christians, and later expelled because they were "suspects"... now they are in North Africa and they countrol all those countries.
Those differences are present in other countries, not in Spain.
Spain won the war in 1492 and there has not been any massive invasion since Napoleon, while other European countries have been invaded countless of times and the populations were ravaged by mercenaries, mostly Swiss Lancers, Lanksnets and Tercios.
Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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Why are so many trolls, or probably the same troll, purporting to be Spanish?
Quite puzzling.
Those girls are not Catalan but descendants of Spanish immigrants, the difference is not physical but rather on their poise, stance.
There are not discernible physical differences among Spanish due to the fact that during the Reconquest, all lands were resettled and there was a gigantic ethnical cleansing, the largest in human history.
The "moorish" expelled during the 17th century were mostly ethnic Spanish that became Muslims, and later Christians, and later expelled because they were "suspects"...
Are you referring to me?
Those pictures I showed three days ago can explain what you are saying.
No such thing, sorry. This is a comparison on autosomal level between Basques and other Caucasoid populations of Europe, West Asia and North Africa.
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