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Old 08-22-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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That's not authentic Greek culture.. it's Neo-Ottoman culture that has permeated the Balkans in the last 100 years.. you hear similar music in Serbia and Bulgaria. A lot of Greeks complain about this type of culture because they see it as inauthentic. Tsifteteli is a Turkish dance.
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Old 08-22-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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The singer is ethnic Roma and the music and dances are not traditional Greek but a commercial, modern kitschy combination of Balkan, Turkish and other Oriental tunes.
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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Cool informations you guys are relating about this, quite interesting
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:53 PM
 
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The singer is ethnic Roma and the music and dances are not traditional Greek but a commercial, modern kitschy combination of Balkan, Turkish and other Oriental tunes.
"Ethnic Roma" as in what? Gypsy?
At least I see him singing, even if it's something Turkish, lol.
I was reading all these complaints recently about Roma beggars in Europe, and I was wondering that I don't hear much about the *other* side of their culture - namely artistic one. In Russia gypsies were traditionally not only thieves and beggars, but great entertainers as well. Doesn't seem to be a case in other countries though, so may be only Russians figured out how to get the best of them, I dunno...
So.. do you hear/see anything like this in other countries where "Roma" reside?


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Old 08-23-2013, 01:11 AM
 
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Doesn't seem to be a case in other countries though, so may be only Russians figured out how to get the best of them, I dunno...
So.. do you hear/see anything like this in other countries where "Roma" reside?
In Balkans there are two categories of Roma musician artists: those who promote autentic styles, ranging from Roma traditional music to jazz and those who promote that kitschy commercial "music" with textes and themes resembling the lyrics of gangsta rap but as I said, on Oriental tunes. Usually, is not the melody itself that sells but some 'catchy' phrase.




In Romania, this 'genre' is called manele and probably is the worst of all, although it has great success (is said that most Romanians listen to this). In Bulgaria is called chalga and is a little more styllish and pop. In Greece, apparently is closer to Greek traditional music and less vulgar.
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:02 AM
 
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Sure, benevolent Socialists had to options for gypsies, either to become NKVD/KGB/Police confidents, along with Tarakamis, or they were sent packing to Siberia.
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Old 08-28-2013, 06:10 AM
 
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Modern Greece is irrelevant to Europe, ancient Greece was important.
Just like modern Egypt is irrelevant to the world, while ancient Egypt was very important, actually ancient Greece borrowed a lot from ancient Egypt, and the Romans in turn borrowed a lot from the Greek.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:52 PM
 
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Modern Greece is irrelevant to Europe, ancient Greece was important.
For sure. But I think 'modern Greece' can't be 'irrelevant' to Europe. She has the responsibility of 'caring' for ancient Greece just like an aging mother. But with the way the country is going about its business it's like the children can't even take care of themselves much less their 'mother'.
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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Well their economy has been down the toilet for some time but I would not say the same for their spirit they have strong roots in todays zeitgest their culture is their own though neo ottoman is too strong a word for the land of the hellenic spirit that being said they have mixed and matched what worked or works to further their civilisation
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Old 08-30-2013, 04:08 AM
 
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That's not authentic Greek culture.. it's Neo-Ottoman culture that has permeated the Balkans in the last 100 years.. you hear similar music in Serbia and Bulgaria. A lot of Greeks complain about this type of culture because they see it as inauthentic. Tsifteteli is a Turkish dance.


But if you explain all that to a dropout in Nebraska, first you must start by telling him that Greece is in a continent called Yurop, that in that continent they eat pizza and speak Italian but are not Newyorkers, and that they speak Spanish but they are not Mexicans, and that they speak Greek but are not fishermen in the Gulf of Mexico....and that Hollywood is not for real...gl
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