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Old 10-19-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Some Airport Transit Zone
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Much of this has been suppressed under Putin..
It's not true and blatantly stupid. Sorry.
It's very sad to see how some good people are heavily brainwashed by biased mass media.
If you tell this thing to indigenous nationalities of the Russian Federation they will loudly laugh at you. Believe me.
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Old 10-19-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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Russians are not "indigenous people". The definition of indigenous people in international law is ethnic populations who are under colonial domination. (See: International Labor Organization Convention 169 on the rights of Indigenous peoples) The designation "Indigenous people" is a political one that recognizes certain rights and a certain relationship with the dominant society in which they live. Russians in Russia form the dominant society and run the colonial regime.
"Indigenous population" is translated into Russian as "коренное население," it has little to do with politics, and it's definitely used in Russian language describing the local population, be it of Kazakh, Udmurt or Russian origin.
Therefore International definitions in this case don't make much sense.
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:16 AM
 
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"Indigenous population" is translated into Russian as "коренное население," it has little to do with politics, and it's definitely used in Russian language describing the local population, be it of Kazakh, Udmurt or Russian origin.
Therefore International definitions in this case don't make much sense.

It is true that the Northern European component predominates in the Russian population as a whole more than the Mediterranean. However there is a distant Northeast Asian("Mongoloid") due to amalgamation with ancient Siberian populations seen from time to time in facial features of Russians. Nevertheless Russians are a Northern European folk.



RUSSIANS


This reference population is based on samples collected from Russians living in Russia. The dominant 51% Northern European component likely reflects the earliest settlers in Europe, hunter-gatherers who arrived there more than 35,000 years ago. The 25% Mediterranean and 18% Southwest Asian percentages arrived later, with the spread of agriculture from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East over the past 10,000 years. As these early farmers moved into Europe, they spread their genetic patterns as well. Today, northern European populations retain the links to both the earliest Europeans and these later migrants from the Middle East. The 4% Northeast Asian component reflects mixing with native Siberian populations, including the reindeer-herding Saami people of far northern Russia and Scandinavia


Note: There are however groups which manifest more of this "Mongoloid" component such as the Tatars.

TATAR (RUSSIA)


This reference population is based on samples collected from the Tatar people of Russia, a Turkic-speaking group that originated in the region of present-day Mongolia and settled on the Volga River in the 7th century. Their genetic results reflect their origin, with 16% Northeast Asian a major component. However, there has been substantial mixing with western Eurasian populations (including Russians) over the years, resulting in the 40% Northern European, 21% Southwest Asian, and 21% Mediterranean components more typical in Europe.

Are you a Tatar by the way?
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:32 AM
 
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As many as 48% of indigenous Russians have pure blue eyes, according to a study done on more than 8.000 Europeans in 2010. The lightest-eyed regions are in the west, closer to Europe and especially the Baltic.

Map on eye color according to study shows only indigenous European populations(not immigrant ones of non-European origin) shows that pure brown/ pure blue, other eye colors are not included.
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:48 AM
 
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It is true that the Northern European component predominates in the Russian population as a whole more than the Mediterranean. However there is a distant Northeast Asian("Mongoloid") due to amalgamation with ancient Siberian populations seen from time to time in facial features of Russians. Nevertheless Russians are a Northern European folk.



RUSSIANS


This reference population is based on samples collected from Russians living in Russia. The dominant 51% Northern European component likely reflects the earliest settlers in Europe, hunter-gatherers who arrived there more than 35,000 years ago. The 25% Mediterranean and 18% Southwest Asian percentages arrived later, with the spread of agriculture from the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East over the past 10,000 years. As these early farmers moved into Europe, they spread their genetic patterns as well. Today, northern European populations retain the links to both the earliest Europeans and these later migrants from the Middle East. The 4% Northeast Asian component reflects mixing with native Siberian populations, including the reindeer-herding Saami people of far northern Russia and Scandinavia


Note: There are however groups which manifest more of this "Mongoloid" component such as the Tatars.

TATAR (RUSSIA)


This reference population is based on samples collected from the Tatar people of Russia, a Turkic-speaking group that originated in the region of present-day Mongolia and settled on the Volga River in the 7th century. Their genetic results reflect their origin, with 16% Northeast Asian a major component. However, there has been substantial mixing with western Eurasian populations (including Russians) over the years, resulting in the 40% Northern European, 21% Southwest Asian, and 21% Mediterranean components more typical in Europe.


Can you explain to me pretty please WHAT all that has got to do with the way the expression "indigenous population" is used in Russia?

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Old 10-21-2013, 06:17 AM
 
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Russians are not "indigenous people". The definition of indigenous people in international law is ethnic populations who are under colonial domination. (See: International Labor Organization Convention 169 on the rights of Indigenous peoples) The designation "Indigenous people" is a political one that recognizes certain rights and a certain relationship with the dominant society in which they live. Russians in Russia form the dominant society and run the colonial regime.
Ever heard the expression "indigenous trees", for instance? You mean we shouldn't use it because trees are not mentioned in the International Labor Organization Convention 169? There are few things as intellectually stunting as legalistic fetishism.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:28 PM
 
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Siberians are a bit more rough and tough compared to European Russians, this is, as you said, due to the climate and also history (Vorkuta, Magadan, etc. were places prisoners were sent to, both by the tsars and by Stalin). Siberians have their origin from all over Russia and other parts of the former Russian empire.
In fact, people from Siberia and the Far East have a mild and affable character. They are more sociable and friendly. I have many relatives in Siberia. Siberia is the cradle of Russian science and nature, too.
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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It's not true and blatantly stupid. Sorry.
It's very sad to see how some good people are heavily brainwashed by biased mass media.
If you tell this thing to indigenous nationalities of the Russian Federation they will loudly laugh at you. Believe me.
Thanks, I worked in "nationality politics" in Siberia and the Far East for 10 years, and am still in touch with my colleagues there. They're not laughing. Believe me.
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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Thanks, I worked in "nationality politics" in Siberia...
So what? It does prove anything, because you and your collegues have your own specific european mindset and your own subjective point of view that can be very distant from the real situation. Can you honestly say that you clearly understand the siberian folk mentality and their lifestyle? Do you really know their evolutional ways of progress?
Ruth, please don't take it personally but you really don't know what you are talking about.
I've been to Russia many times and I spent much much more time there than you worked there. I am fluent in Russian language and I know their cultural psychology pretty good. I am aware of the real situation on the inside. Nobody pushes on break on the development of any national minority in Russia. Even if someone would complain about something it doesn't mean it is a real thing.
But some political forces use it for their political profit. Everyone already understands that. And I don't buy this crap either.
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