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View Poll Results: Ukraine in EU?
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:15 PM
 
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today/ Kiev/ "europeans"
did I hear it propperly, what did they say? hail to whom exactly????

Time to clean up the mess.

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Old 01-01-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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did I hear it propperly, what did they say? hail to whom exactly????

Time to clean up the mess.
Hail To S. Bandera.

Stepan Bandera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yep, looks like Ukrainian nationalists are on the march again...


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Old 01-01-2014, 08:25 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Let the Ukranian people decide this issue/matter.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Kharkiv
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These people and their leader are standing on Kiev Square now.
The participants chanted "Bandera - our hero," "Ukraine - Above All," "Bandera come - things in order," "Glory to Ukraine! - Heroes of glory."
Ukrainian nationalists are leading the country to Europe. It's nonsense.

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Old 01-02-2014, 03:08 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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Ukrainian nationalists are leading the country to Europe. It's nonsense.
Why not? Nationalists have entered the Central Europe into EU.
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:20 AM
 
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Prior to Operation Barbarossa, the OUN actively cooperated with Nazi Germany. According to the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and other sources, Bandera held meetings with the heads of Germany's intelligence, regarding the formation of "Nachtigall" and "Roland" Battalions. In spring the OUN received 2.5 million marks for subversive activities inside the USSR.[20][23][24]
Gestapo and Abwehr officials protected Bandera followers, as both organizations intended to use them for their own purposes.[25]
On June 30, 1941, with the arrival of Nazi troops in Ukraine, Bandera and the OUN-B declared an independent Ukrainian State. Some of the published proclamations of the formation of this state that it "will work closely with the National-Socialist Greater Germany, under the leadership of its leader Adolf Hitler which is forming a new order in Europe and the world and is helping the Ukrainian People to free itself from Moscovite occupation." - as stated in the text of the "Act of Proclamation of Ukrainian Statehood".[20][24]

In the subsection of "Minority Policy" the OUN-B ordered the removal of hostile Poles, Jews, and Russians via deportation and the destruction of their respective intelligentsias, stating further that the "so-called Polish peasants must be assimilated" and to "destroy their leaders."
In late 1942, Bandera's organization, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, was involved in a campaign of ethnic cleansing of Volhynia, and in early 1944, these campaigns began to include Eastern Galicia. It is estimated that over 40,000 Poles were killed during the spring and summer campaign of 1943 in Volhynia[33] by the OUN-Bandera which bears primary responsibility for the massacres.
n the subsection of "Minority Policy" the OUN-B ordered: "Moskali, Poles, Jews are hostile to us must be exterminated in this struggle, especially those who would resist our regime: deport them to their own lands, importantly: destroy their intelligentsia that may be in the positions of power ... Jews must be isolated, removed from governmental positions in order to prevent sabotage, those who are deemed necessary may only work with an overseer... Jewish assimilation is not possible." [40][41][42] Later in June Yaroslav Stetsko sent to Bandera a report in which he indicated - "We are creating a militia which would help to get remove the Jews and protect the population." [43][44] Leaflets spread in the name of Bandera in the same year called for the "destruction" of ""Moscow", Poles, Hungarians and Jewry.[45][46][47] In 1941-1942 while Bandera was cooperating with the Germans, OUN members did take part in anti-Jewish actions.
On February 25, 2010, the European Parliament criticized the decision by then ex-president of Ukraine Yushchenko to award Bandera the title of Hero of Ukraine and expressed hope it would be reconsidered.[85] This award has been condemned by the Simon Wiesenthal Center[7] and the Student Union of French Jews.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

The protestors on Maidan show their true colours.
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:57 AM
 
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Why not? Nationalists have entered the Central Europe into EU.
In Czech Republic - not. In Poland it was a socialist Kwasniewski.

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Old 01-02-2014, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv
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Why not? Nationalists have entered the Central Europe into EU.
They have too much of the incorrect things, which has been used by nationalists since 1940s and it's unacceptable for Europe.
Maybe they're lovely for EC now. The most important issue is that take out Ukraine from Russia' influence.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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as stated in the text of the "[/b]Act of Proclamation of Ukrainian Statehood[/b]".[20][24]
..???
In the subsection of "Minority Policy" the OUN-B ordered the removal of hostile Poles, Jews, and Russians via deportation and the destruction of their respective
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The protestors on Maidan show their true colours.
Why you have passed the most interesting from Wiki? What has occured with Bandera and OUN-B after the proclamation Act of Independence?
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In Czech Republic - not. In Poland it was a socialist Kwasniewski.
Czech most xenophobic people from all Central Europe, even is worse than Poles. Certainly they will not shoot your back, but it is joined their society it is impossible, if you not Czech.

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They have too much of the incorrect things, which has been used by nationalists since 1940s and it's unacceptable for Europe.
Maybe they're lovely for EU now. The most important issue is that take out Ukraine from Russia' influence.
Who ' they '? You have an information, what these peoples with torches participated in events of the fortieth years? That personifies nationalists today it only words and slogans, and procession. But it does not lead to practical actions at the state level. By the way, some active participants of Torch procession subsequently have been excluded from nationalist party owing to excessive aggression.

Russia is engaged in similar actions through the pro-Russian parties of Ukraine.

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Old 01-03-2014, 03:18 AM
 
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Good point, take 03 . It reminds us of Ante Palewitsch's Croats Oustachis who collaborated with the Reich in exterminating the Serbianb people. Later on, the descendants of the Oustachis, modern day Croatian nationalists , collaborated with EU and NATO in the destruction of Yugoslavia and the war against Serbia.
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