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Old 04-25-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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Most resistants were communists and the biggest political figures were socialists.
Socialism and Communism are not the same.

 
Old 04-25-2014, 02:48 PM
 
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Not really, the French army was bigger, much bigger than the German army, but not better armoured....
The French had far more tanks and their tank were superior to German tanks. Over half the German tanks only had machine guns.

Chamberlain declared war after Germany invaded Poland and they would not pull out. Hitler never provoked Chamberlain. At Munich in 1938 Chamberlain said if you want war you can have it - the RN was on full alert. Hitler backed down. Hitler could not believe what the Brits and French and given them. Hitler knew the Brits and French would declare war.

If the UK had not been an island they would have run all over the Germans. Their view of defence would have been very, very different.

As to the war of 1812, the country that lost was the USA.
 
Old 04-25-2014, 02:51 PM
 
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Very true, but the Belgians, Norweigans, Dutch were also defeated very quickly and also had large collaborationist movements. LIkewsie, the British were not saved by the British army, but by a convenient 30 mile wide anti tank ditch.
The English Channel did not magically appear. It was the basis of the UK defence - hence the RN was largest navy in the world. You cannot compare Belgium, Norway and Holland with France.
 
Old 04-25-2014, 04:46 PM
 
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Britain had a land and tank war with Germany in Africa, and won.

Britains navy completely destroyed the German navy. (Easily)


The British airforce defeated the German airforce in the Battle of Britain.

Britain defeated Germany in the Mediterranean.

Britain defeated Germany in bathles from d day to Berlin .

Britain liberated 70% of towns and cities from normandy to berlin.

Britain easily won the bombing war with Germany.

Britain won nearly every major battle, that's a FACT

France were pathetically weak, I'm sorry but you know it's true

It's funny to hear people talking about the English Channel.

The English Channel never stopped Britain from invading and conquering European armies, it goes both ways, it never stopped Britain so why did it stop Germany. They didn't even attempt to challenge the British navy, they didn't even attempt to cross the English Channel, they didn't have the capability. Britain easily invaded Europe a d Germany, but Germany are impotent to do the same to Britain, lol

The English Channel didn't stop Britain from invading Europe on d day, it didn't stop Britain from invading Europe and defeating napoleon, it didn't stop Britain in any of its wars for hundreds of years, Britain conquered much of the world from the English Channel

Germany were too weak and I'll equipped to fight Britain, they lost in every theatre, the Atlantic war, the desert war, the air war, the bombing war( Britain devastated German cities in bombing raids) the Mediterranean and Europe. Germanies only success against Britain was Dunkirk, and they didn't even kill a hundred soldiers (Britain killed and captured hundreds of thousands of German soldiers).

Germany was just too weak to challenge Britain, they lost in every theatre of the war, land, sea and air.

And Britain did all this while fighting the Japanese and liberating Burma, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore and much of china, Britain and china killed and captured over two million Japanese soldiers, and this was at the same time as the war in Europe on the other side of the world.
No other European country could ever have done what Britain did, they are not even in the same league
 
Old 04-25-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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Why is it that British tanks were able to stop German tanks in Africa and elsewhere, but French tanks were unable to do the same, was the French army inferior?
 
Old 04-25-2014, 05:24 PM
 
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Why is it that British tanks were able to stop German tanks in Africa and elsewhere, but French tanks were unable to do the same, was the French army inferior?
The Germans could not knock out the French Char-B. There is one incident where one Char-B ran amok killing hundreds of Germans. The Germans did find a way to knock out the Char-B eventually. The Germans overran the French supply lines. The Germans also used artillery to knock out tanks.

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Old 04-25-2014, 05:26 PM
 
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Am I right in thinking that Britain fought against more German tanks in Africa than France did when Germany invaded France
 
Old 04-25-2014, 05:32 PM
 
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Britains navy completely destroyed the German navy. (Easily)
And much of the Italian and French navies.
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The British airforce defeated the German airforce in the Battle of Britain.
Also over Dunkirk while the RN was evacuating the British and French troops. Most the French troops went back to France on the Vichy side.
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Britain defeated Germany in the Mediterranean.
They also defeated the Vichy French in Syria and suppressed a German inspired uprising in Iraq.
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France were pathetically weak, I'm sorry but you know it's true
France was not weak, just poorly run at the top level.
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It's funny to hear people talking about the English Channel.
The UK needs a strong navy because it is an island. To invade the UK you need a navy as equal. European countries would not spend on their navies to a level to match the RN as they are a lower priority. Pre WW2, the RN and RAF had a higher priority to the army. Hence no sub machine gun was issued or made. Tanks in service were poor until May 1940.
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Germany was just too weak to challenge Britain, they lost in every theatre of the war, land, sea and air.
The UK even supplied the USSR. The Germans were checked in the east at Moscow in Dec 1941. After Moscow they were not going to defeat the USSR. They were going nowhere. 75% of the Soviet tanks used at Moscow were supplied by the British.
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No other European country could ever have done what Britain did, they are not even in the same league
That was very true.
 
Old 04-25-2014, 06:21 PM
 
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Socialism and Communism are not the same.
I know... that's why I used both words. But in the 40's and 50's socialists were much more close to communists than to liberals. In elections they were most of the time in the same parliamentary group. Socialists and communists were the main force of the resistance while the right was mainly neutral or working with Vichy (with some exceptions). De Gaulle was the best option for the US if they didn't want France to join the USSR.

It's impossible to say what the UK would have done if the Channel didn't exist. Unlike in sea or air, on land, one error can cost the war.. If Paris wasn't so close of Germany, France would have resisted much longer. German's Blitzkrieg was a poker move, and it succeeded.
Then even after the fall of Paris, France could have resisted. The French Head of State Paul Reynaud and the majority of politics didn't want to surrender and were ready to "fusion" with the UK to continue the war. But Petain and many politics were quite fascists with a huge hatred of the communists, they preferred to surrender.
Truth is the 40's surrender was a coup d'état from Pétain.
It should be noted that we have a REALLY negative vision of Nazis because of the shoa. But the common people didn't know a damn about this. And even the politics didn't think the concentration camps were even possible. Nazism was seen by the right as true conservatism only, against the left-wing soviets. Many right-wing French leaders though France was perverted and needed a strong ruler.

By the way when French wanted to fight Franco, English said a big no. At that time, Franco and Hitler were quite the same thing in the eye of the world.. Fascists. Which mean they hated everything not following their stupid rules and all communities "threatening" their stupid nationalistic ideas : communists, romas, jews, muslims, gays, etc.. The only difference is one was imperialistic while the other one couldn't even handle the troubles at home.
 
Old 04-25-2014, 07:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Obi wan spaghetti View Post
Britain had a land and tank war with Germany in Africa, and won.

Britains navy completely destroyed the German navy. (Easily)


The British airforce defeated the German airforce in the Battle of Britain.

Britain defeated Germany in the Mediterranean.

Britain defeated Germany in bathles from d day to Berlin .

Britain liberated 70% of towns and cities from normandy to berlin.

Britain easily won the bombing war with Germany.

Britain won nearly every major battle, that's a FACT

France were pathetically weak, I'm sorry but you know it's true

It's funny to hear people talking about the English Channel.

The English Channel never stopped Britain from invading and conquering European armies, it goes both ways, it never stopped Britain so why did it stop Germany. They didn't even attempt to challenge the British navy, they didn't even attempt to cross the English Channel, they didn't have the capability. Britain easily invaded Europe a d Germany, but Germany are impotent to do the same to Britain, lol

The English Channel didn't stop Britain from invading Europe on d day, it didn't stop Britain from invading Europe and defeating napoleon, it didn't stop Britain in any of its wars for hundreds of years, Britain conquered much of the world from the English Channel

Germany were too weak and I'll equipped to fight Britain, they lost in every theatre, the Atlantic war, the desert war, the air war, the bombing war( Britain devastated German cities in bombing raids) the Mediterranean and Europe. Germanies only success against Britain was Dunkirk, and they didn't even kill a hundred soldiers (Britain killed and captured hundreds of thousands of German soldiers).

Germany was just too weak to challenge Britain, they lost in every theatre of the war, land, sea and air.

And Britain did all this while fighting the Japanese and liberating Burma, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Singapore and much of china, Britain and china killed and captured over two million Japanese soldiers, and this was at the same time as the war in Europe on the other side of the world.
No other European country could ever have done what Britain did, they are not even in the same league
The German soldiers on the Western Front were much younger and less experienced.

USSR defeated the Nazis
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