U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Europe
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-14-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: France
456 posts, read 526,512 times
Reputation: 471

Advertisements

North african's are not arabs
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-14-2014, 02:16 PM
 
2,241 posts, read 2,676,196 times
Reputation: 424
Quote:
Originally Posted by joseanto071 View Post
Never heard an arab or arabic speaker speak spanish and curious to know, since spain and especially Granada and Andalusia were under muslim rule for over 700 years
Andalusia has always had an array of influences and cultures, religions, and ethnicities. There were lots of Jews and Muslims of all races and origins since ancient times.

There were also many Sub Saharan black Africans in Spain also, especially in Andalusia since ancient times.

Arabs can be of any race or religion.

We also can't forget influences from North African groups of peoples.

And the Spanish Inquistion in 1492 made Muslims and Jews choose between life or death, choosing the Christian cross or facing expulsion.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-14-2014, 02:20 PM
 
2,241 posts, read 2,676,196 times
Reputation: 424
Andalusian accents were very influential in the Canary Islands accent to a degree.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2014, 11:19 AM
 
35 posts, read 52,638 times
Reputation: 29
The Arabic influence in Andalusia is cultural since 99 percent of all muslims were Christian converts to Islamism to dodge taxes. Andalusia was a place similar to modern day Bosnia, but far more advanced.

Most of the ethnic cleansing after the reconquest affected mostly Iberians, the brutal expulsion involving a large percentage of the population (1600) affected mainly "moriscos", that were "muladies", converted christians.

Arabs do not have "andalusi" accent at all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2014, 11:26 AM
 
35 posts, read 52,638 times
Reputation: 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by MelismaticEchoes View Post
Andalusia has always had an array of influences and cultures, religions, and ethnicities. There were lots of Jews and Muslims of all races and origins since ancient times.

Jews are Jews, Spanish Jews were originally from Judea. Most Muslims were converted Crhistian and Goths, and a small group of berbers and a tiny group of Arabs (Irak and Syria mostly).

There were also many Sub Saharan black Africans in Spain also, especially in Andalusia since ancient times.

Not true.

Arabs can be of any race or religion.

No, Arabs are a very specific ethnicity, many are Christian. Muslims, yes, they can be of any race.

We also can't forget influences from North African groups of peoples.

Before the islamic invasion, they were more european than northen Europe.

And the Spanish Inquistion in 1492 made Muslims and Jews choose between life or death, choosing the Christian cross or facing expulsion.
Jews could decide, but Moorish were not given the opportunity...most expelled "Moriscos" were originally Christian that became Muslims and then Christian again
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2014, 12:04 PM
 
15,049 posts, read 13,645,910 times
Reputation: 6926
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chestertonto View Post
The Arabic influence in Andalusia is cultural since 99 percent of all muslims were Christian converts to Islamism to dodge taxes. Andalusia was a place similar to modern day Bosnia, but far more advanced.

Most of the ethnic cleansing after the reconquest affected mostly Iberians, the brutal expulsion involving a large percentage of the population (1600) affected mainly "moriscos", that were "muladies", converted christians.

Arabs do not have "andalusi" accent at all.
You mean the Jizya - a taxation imposed on non-muslims, as in

"In practice, the word is applied to a special type of tax, levied upon the non-Muslim adult males living under an Islamic state"


And

"al-Razi says in his interpretation of the quranic verse(9:29) in which the jizya was enacted:

The intention of taking the jizya is not to approve the disbelief of non-Muslims in Islam, but rather to spare their lives and to give them some time; in hope that during it; they might stop to reflect on the virtues of Islam and its compelling arguments, and consequently converting from disbelief to belief. That's why it's important to pay the jizya with humiliation and servility, because naturally, any sensible person can not stand humiliation and servility. So if the disbeliever is given some time watching the pride of Islam and hearing evidences of its authenticity, and see the humiliation of the disbelief, then apparently this might carry him to convert to Islam, and that's the main rationale behind the enactment of the jizya"
Jizya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Is this what you mean by "dodging taxes?"








Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-17-2014, 11:36 AM
 
35 posts, read 52,638 times
Reputation: 29
Yes, the Islamic state existing during tolerant eras also contemplated and respected all "people of the book" (Muslims, Christians and Jewish)...but not muslims were socially discriminated and had to pay a tax, but they were tolerated.

But during the intolerant period of Al Andalus, Christians (Mozarabes) communities were attacked, that was idiotic because they fled north and beefed up christian armies.

Dodging taxes = avoid taxes, if you were a muslim you did not have to pay taxes as a "dimmni".

I studied that period and do you know that rich people married Russian teenage girls brought from Constantinople and later from Ishtambul, when it changed name? Rich people just dropped their old women and bought and marry a young sweetheart.

I guess that life went faster in those days,
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-24-2014, 04:03 AM
 
4,654 posts, read 3,711,803 times
Reputation: 1408
Quote:
Originally Posted by erasure View Post
If you don't mind -
1. By whose law?
and 2. Define "marriage" according to Islam please.
Not true again,at that time mixed mariages were so common,the ruler of Cordoba was muslim but his wives were christians.
Islam in Spain was not strict,in the sense that people of different faith were living under the same ruler.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-24-2014, 04:07 AM
 
4,654 posts, read 3,711,803 times
Reputation: 1408
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chestertonto View Post
The Arabic influence in Andalusia is cultural since 99 percent of all muslims were Christian converts to Islamism to dodge taxes. Andalusia was a place similar to modern day Bosnia, but far more advanced.

Most of the ethnic cleansing after the reconquest affected mostly Iberians, the brutal expulsion involving a large percentage of the population (1600) affected mainly "moriscos", that were "muladies", converted christians.

Arabs do not have "andalusi" accent at all.
It's the other way around,the andalusian who have an arab accent.just listen to flamenco music which is originally an arab music
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-24-2014, 04:10 AM
 
4,654 posts, read 3,711,803 times
Reputation: 1408
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polly Polaris View Post
North african's are not arabs
True,the native populations of North Africa are not arabs but amazigh (the greeks and romans called them Berberes)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Europe
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:00 PM.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top