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If anything, I blame Russia's government for its contemtious attitude towards Ukraine for the last twenty years, the way it looked down at Ukraine's poverty and snobbish attitude of many Russians, their lack of desire to help Ukraine in this situation, or even associate themselves with this country. ( Yes, it was all about "we don't want them, why should we subsidize them, it's our money.")
But then again I've already said many times that Putin's government is ALL about money, that's why when he finally included Ukraine in his *financial plans,* his talk about "help for brotherly people* in terms of $ 15 billions sounded as fake as it gets.
Here is Oleg Zarev, a deputy from Dnepropetrovsk I believe, guest on Russian popular TV program;
..."We think that in this situation the international intervention is necessary and the ideal mediators would be Russia and Germany. (I assume he is talking about his Eastern Ukraine region.)
We constantly see here Americans, we see Europeans, but we don't see Russians. This is happening right in front of your nose, right across your border, so why don't you come as mediators to diffuse situation on Maidan?"
( The abrupt facilitator's response was "We've sent Lukin.")
So yes, many Eastern Ukrainians understand that their economy, their livelihood depend on neighboring Russia ( they've voted for Yanukovich for this reason at the first place,) yet strictly mercantile attitude of Putin's government and of many Russians towards Ukrainians is downright shameful.
I think it's not snobbery and commercialism. It is mutual insults (offend). Ukrainian politicians, and around the world, it is very convenient to make Russia an enemy of Ukraine. It gives them a voice in the election and a reason to justify their mistakes. All this is shown on the Russian TV and causes great offense (indignation) to the Russians.
And I do not understand what kind of help do you expect from Russia towards Ukraine.
PS: Russia sent to negotiate Lukin because Lavrov would put all his authority there. The whole world would have shouted that Russian pressure on Ukraine....
I think it's not snobbery and commercialism. It is mutual insults (offend). Ukrainian politicians, and around the world, it is very convenient to make Russia an enemy of Ukraine. It gives them a voice in the election and a reason to justify their mistakes. All this is shown on the Russian TV and causes great offense (indignation) to the Russians.
And I do not understand what kind of help do you expect from Russia towards Ukraine.
PS: Russia sent to negotiate Lukin because Lavrov would put all his authority there. The whole world would have shouted that Russian pressure on Ukraine....
Of course, they do. It's so obvious! And it doesn't matter who you guys send to the Ukraine.
Kremlin officially silent. Maybe waiting for the end of the Olympics, I do not know.
Whoa..perhaps they are truly stunned and need time for analysis after all that has happened? Look what we have now: future elections, a discredited govt, the leader gone with his popularity diminshed, a restored Constitution, an army that wouldn't fire on it people. This is a Ukrainian Christmas in February and unfortunately paid with blood. From the looks of it something looks being born. I hope some breakthroughs can be made. But I do worry about those on the fringes on both sides. It's key to get them into the program coming up. Question is do some in Russia and the Ukraine view this all as a 'defeat'? And if so how will they react? And as we know when the cat's way the mice play!
Things are getting more complicated as Yanukovych has fled from Kiev and arrived in Eastern Ukraine. He refuses to resign and condemns the parliament and opposition for stripping his power and sacking him. He might want to use Eastern Ukraine as his base and reconquer Western Ukraine by force with help from Russia after the closing ceremony of the Olympics tomorrow.
Whoa..perhaps they are truly stunned and need time for analysis after all that has happened? Look what we have now: future elections, a discredited govt, the leader gone with his popularity diminshed, a restored Constitution, an army that wouldn't fire on it people.
I don't believe that it's any of their points of concerns or worries for the moment.
Most likely Kremlin is calculating what's going to be their next move, and what might be beneficial for them in this situation and what's not.
Don't you know Putin by now?
He might want to use Eastern Ukraine as his base and reconquer Western Ukraine by force with help from Russia after the closing ceremony of the Olympics tomorrow.
If Russia wanted to, it would have already intervened. I think that Yanukovych is not a figure for which Putin will start a war. (If Russia starts now push their interests in Ukraine, the war will be inevitable).
And I'm not sure that we should rejoice the overthrow of Yanukovych. You think that it is a victory of democracy over Putin, but most likely it will result in big problems for the Ukrainians. The country's economy is now in poor condition.
The road to the European Union in the near future closed. What is in store for them after "the victory of democracy over Russia" is not clear. Likely cooperation with Russia.
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And I'm not sure that we should rejoice the overthrow of Yanukovych. You think that it is a victory of democracy over Putin, but most likely it will result in big problems for the Ukrainians. The country's economy is now in poor condition.
Will Europe make new places of employment? Companies move factories from Hungary to China.
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