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There were no immigrants at that time, and again, Berbers are white, and I have been in the Atlas mountains a lot of times. At that time, most inhabitants were related and close relatives, and just another thing, they were not related to modern Germans and modern Spanish, at least 95 percent of them.
Basques are r1b, maybe the higher percentage on earth after Welsh, their singularity comes from the fact that they were isolated during many centuries. In fact, modern Basques came from Celtic tribes that adopted the Basque culture, Romans removed Basques and settled the territory with Vardulos, a Celtic tribe. Navarre, the ancestral home of the Basque, was resettled by Pompei, founder of Pamplona, and later resettled again.
Basques and the Welsh are not the same! Basques are predominantly R1b-DF27 subclade, also very common in Iberia and the Welsh are predominantly R1b-L21 subclade as are the Irish and Scottish, very common in the British Isles, but also found in Brittany, Normandy, northern France, parts of Belgium, western Germany up to Switzerland. The R1b-L21, most likely of the Celtic branch.
Not at all.
You are talking about the inhabitants of large Morrocan cities, not about Berbers.
Those people in cities are like Americans, a mixture of blacks, berbers, etc, etc.
Berbers live in the Rif and Atlas and speak Amazigh and Berber, they are light skinned and mediterranean looking.
I'm talking about an area not far from were you live.
Lots of German kids in the Atlas.
No, I am talking about Berbers like the Tuareg. Berber does not mean white or whatever you seem to think. Since their first ancestors arrived in North Africa from the Middle East 12k or so years ago, there has been a lot of mixing with other peoples, gradually forming what are considered Berbers today, i.e. a large spectrum of looks ranging from European white to African black.
What unites them is mostly their languages.
There is indeed some Berber DNA on the Iberian peninsula, interestingly even predating the Muslim era (just like there is ancient sub-Saharan DNA here predating the Muslim era, let alone colonial times). There probably was some island-hopping migration across Gibraltar when the water level was lower.
Generally speaking, basically all peoples existing today are mixed, some more, some less, but there are no pure this or pure that peoples anymore. Even within the remotest peoples on Earth you will find different haplogroups.
Tuaregs are not Berber at all.
Again, no African blacks in North Africa in historical times, African blacks are subsaharan.
And yes, they did certainly settled in Spain during the Carthaginean empire.
Berbers are part of antiquity, Saint Augustine, some Emperors, Libiophoenicians, etc.
If you don't believe me, take your car and travel to the Atlas, you can get there in just one day.
North African haploids are also present in Germany, ol' Addie had them.
No, up there they are not mixed, they are cabileños.
Tuaregs are not Berber at all.
Again, no African blacks in North Africa in historical times, African blacks are subsaharan.
And yes, they did certainly settled in Spain during the Carthaginean empire. North Africa was civilized when Germans barely knew how to talk and combed their hair with grease.
Berbers are part of antiquity, while Germans are not.
If you don't believe me, take your car and travel to the Atlas, you can get there in just one day.
North African haploids are also present in Germany, ol' Addie had them.
No, up there they are not mixed, they are cabileños.
Tuaregs ARE Berbers, like it or not. During 12k years it is only natural that people have mixed with other peoples.
The time we are talking about was so long ago that there was no Sahara, thus the term sub-Saharan was pointless as well. Keep in mind that the ancestors of the Berbers moved West into North Africa relatively late and it was a pleasant piece of land back then, not a desert. Of course there were other people there already. By that time Europe just across the Med had already been settled for 30 or 40k years.
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Clearly it has nothing to do with Central Europe. Though no data is available for Germany, it is safe to assume the percentage is the same there as with Germany's neighbors...
Tuaregs are not Berber at all.
Again, no African blacks in North Africa in historical times, African blacks are subsaharan.
And yes, they did certainly settled in Spain during the Carthaginean empire.
Berbers are part of antiquity, Saint Augustine, some Emperors, Libiophoenicians, etc.
If you don't believe me, take your car and travel to the Atlas, you can get there in just one day.
North African haploids are also present in Germany, ol' Addie had them.
No, up there they are not mixed, they are cabileños.
Yes, there was intermixture with the darker-skinned SubSaharan Africans, however the majority remained Caucasoid. By looking at that pictures, we can't tell that if there is admixture or not, it is with genetical tests that we can find out such things. Germans are Whites! Are you O.K.? They're mostly of Northern European Genome.
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