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I don’t think living in a tyranny where the tyrant is allowed to kill you if you look at him funny is living either.
I think that living in a country who's police forces have military grade weapons available at a moments notice Seattles police have the firepower of a reinforced infantry company at its disposal.
In America you can say anything you want. If you say something that matters you'll pay a price. Figure that one out.
No, Hitler wasn't. The nazi party was a part of a coalition and was appointed chancellor, and then he took dictatorial power after a false flag operation.
He rose to power in a democratic system. America had Andrew Jackson, US Grant, Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman and Johnson. All men who cost humanity millions of lives and untold suffering that did not need to happen.
There's little difference between governments once you look closely at them.
I'm getting info/rumours that things are tense in Kiev. The US State Dept and NATO ambassadors are heading there as are some other schmucks. I can't find a damn thing in the western media. A rumour of someone being arrested with a rifle not far from where the protestors are.
I'm getting info/rumours that things are tense in Kiev. The US State Dept and NATO ambassadors are heading there as are some other schmucks. I can't find a damn thing in the western media. A rumour of someone being arrested with a rifle not far from where the protestors are.
Scrat....I think Western media doesn't yet know what to make out of the current situation.
Saakashvili ( the former? darling of the US) seems to be orchestrating this MichoMaidan ( as it has been christened after him ( since he is Michael Saakashvili, heh)
Here is the timeline of the events from Ukrainian site; I like this in particular, at 14:06
"Украина станет сверхдержавой Европы". "Украинская сверхдержава будет диктовать условия Европе". Теперь речь о радужных перспективах, которые наступят, если убрать власть олигархов.
"Ukraine will be a super-state of Europe" "Ukrainian super-state will dictate conditions to Europe"
Now it's the speech about the great perspectives coming in place, if the oligarchs are going to be removed from power.
Those are all speeches given by aforementioned Saakashwili I assume.
Another heh.
With other words -
Glory to Ukraine, glory to heroes.
P.S. Oh, he ( Saakashvili that is) is rooting against the National guard, siting how much money is spent on them vs. regular military and police.
So he thinks that *heroes* are not worth it, calling them personal protection of Poroshenko. Or something within those lines...
I'm getting info/rumours that things are tense in Kiev. The US State Dept and NATO ambassadors are heading there as are some other schmucks. I can't find a damn thing in the western media. A rumour of someone being arrested with a rifle not far from where the protestors are.
EXACTLY!
When Pro-west Ukraine has trouble, the west media doesn't even have a word of coverage for that. Imagine if Russia or Belarus have economic/social trouble, the entire media will b celebrating it like a feast.
You know why? Because the west is ALWAYS right. Can't say otherwise.
Shown by every statistic anywhere. The wealthiest and most stable countries are all liberal democracies.
I never deny the richest and stable countries are liberal democracies, but as I emphasized several times, that doesn't translate into the conclusion that they are rich and stable BECAUSE they are liberal democracy.
Additionally, there are plenty of liberal democracies that are not wealthy and stable. So your conclusion is shaky. Be very careful about the conclusion and the evidence you present.
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Different prerogatives. India might be poorer, but it hasn't sacrificed their human rights for economic success.
Nice words... not sure how much you know about China and India. Do you really think Indians enjoy better human rights than the Chinese? Do you know women and gays are treated much worse in India?
Actually why don't you travel to Shanghai and Mumbai for yourself - then come back and tell me if you would rather sacrifice the freedom to vote for the difference. I am 100% sure the vast majority of the Chinese prefer present day China and their great life than what they have in India. I am Chinese and I know for a fact no Chinese envies India. Not a single one, no matter on paper how much human right they seem to have.
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I'm quite sure that totalitarian countries like China and Saudi Arabia will have to deal with a serious challenge. Either rule the country with an iron fist, or give in. This brings me back to the original point; either it's democracy or tanks driving over protesters.
They might or they might not. We don't know. At least now, the majority of Chinese people can't care less about "democracy" because their life is good. I just hope west countries leave them alone instead of instigating revolutions despite the huge costs.
Tanks driving over protesters in 1989 was proved to be the right thing to do. It did a huge favour to the Chinese people. Otherwise, there would be today's prosperity and growth. We might be like ... Ukraine.
In the distant future, China may become more democratic, if the people need it (maybe when per capital GDP reaches $20,000?). But that's many years ahead. For now, they are in no hurry to jump onto this democracy bandwagon.
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I surely think that the Western interpretation is the best, as it has been the largest proponent and catalyst of these issues. If you don't like it, fine, but if the majority of your people would like to follow these quite fundamental guidelines, you should adopt them. The thing is that you're not given a real choice, but you have to follow the party congress guidelines.
Of course you do, but a lot of us don't. Just like westerners think cheese is delicious yet most Asians can't tolerate it even hate it. Exactly the same idea. A few western countries don't get to determine what is "fundamental guidelines". Why do you think you are qualified? If the world is one country, western countries are just a minority. China alone is more than west Europe, USA/CANADA/Australia combined, even if you throw Japan into it.
Again let each country decide what is fundamental right for themselves, and don't impose - something the west loves to do since the beginning of colonization.
When Pro-west Ukraine has trouble, the west media doesn't even have a word of coverage for that. Imagine if Russia or Belarus have economic/social trouble, the entire media will b celebrating it like a feast.
You know why? Because the west is ALWAYS right. Can't say otherwise.
But what is the West ? first and foremost the Western Media!
They have since long (since Marshall McLuhan at least) exceeded their part , which was originally to simply convey information to the "ignorant masses", and morphed into being the 5th Power, probably as powerful as all other 4 combined... hence the words (often sternly)pronounced by anchormen/women in Prime Time have de facto a religious , even zealot dimension : their word is what the average person has to believe without discussion, or else...
Scrat....I think Western media doesn't yet know what to make out of the current situation.
Saakashvili ( the former? darling of the US) seems to be orchestrating this MichoMaidan ( as it has been christened after him ( since he is Michael Saakashvili, heh)
Shakeasswilly is interesting to say the least. I guess he has found his reason for living once again. I have no respect for the individual so I have little good to say. What is playing out though seems to be yet another coup. Timoshenko and all the other dirt balls seem to be on his side too. I knew something was up from the time he crossed the border.
I guess the media here has other things to do until they can decide on a narrative. It's fraught with hazards, just think what will happen when and if it all falls apart.
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.S. Oh, he ( Saakashvili that is) is rooting against the National guard, siting how much money is spent on them vs. regular military and police.
So he thinks that *heroes* are not worth it, calling them personal protection of Poroshenko. Or something within those lines...
I think he is correct about the NG. Since 2014 the West has taken certain individuals from the Ukrainian security apparatus and sent them abroad for "special training" and sent specialists to Ukraine. The NG has been trained alright. They're paid better, equipped better and supported better than the Ukrainian police or the ukrainian army. The politicians of Iraq didn't want regular US army protecting them because those soldiers were subject to certain rules of conduct and had restrictions on them. Those politicians brought in "experts" that were not hindered by such things as the UCMJ and training that gave little freedom to act. That National Guard is there to protect the politicians from the people, make no mistake of that.
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