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Old 03-29-2018, 10:57 PM
DKM
 
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Okay lets compare growth rates, even though EU's is already much higher to start with:
2015: EU, 1.7% Russia -2.8%
2016: EU, 2.2% Russia -0.2%

Clearly to kill for. How else do you want to try to twist this into Russia looking like it has a better economic future than the EU? Russia would need a 50% growth rate for a long time to catch the EU. It will never catch up because it is an illiberal corrupt failing state.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Life in Ukraine is becoming more fun and interesting.

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according to the published price list for medical services, the cheapest will be the removal of boils (7082 UAH), and the most expensive — prosthetics of valves in violation of the heart rate (215098 UAH). For example, in the diagnosis of heart rhythm disorders the child will be worth 65 thousand hryvnias. Reprodutiva of the heart valves: one — 167897 UAH; two — 189681 UAH Reputazione and plastic heart valves — 152499 UAH Aorto-koronarne artery bypass graft Stenosis 189098 UAH — UAH 163993 Coronary thrombosis — 86860 UAH cirrhosis of the liver — 111044 UAH Abscess of the liver — 209678 UAH the Operation to remove stones in the gallbladder will cost from 34 to 51 thousand hryvnias. Treatment of acute pancreatitis-almost 72 thousand. Stone of gallbladder with acute cholecystitis — 38711 UAH; without cholecystitis — 34410 UAH Chronic cholecystitis-34410 UAH UNIAN social Networks about the medreform: Bablo won the Hippocratic oath Acute pancreatitis-71860 UAH Abscess, furuncle, carbuncle of the skin-7082 UAH Keloid scar-20144 UAH Chronic respiratory failure -136530 UAH breast Disease-40810 UAH at the same time shocking prices for traumatology. For example, according to the published price list, the open wound of an elbow "will extend" from pockets of patients about 54 thousand, and the open wound of a forearm — 33,5 thousand hryvnias. An injury of a Shin will pull on 71 thousand hryvnias!! Injury of abdominal organs and spleen - 35872 UAH open wound of shoulder and shoulder girdle-63156 UAH Amputation of shoulder and shoulder girdle-63156 UAH Trend of the day: severe consequences of deputies ' medreform will not affect the Bruising of the finger (s) of the foot/open wound without damaging the nail plate-71991 UAH Diagnosis and treatment of coronary artery disease-23770 UAH Diagnosis and treatment of angina pectoris (with the risk of heart attack) - 50670 (risk of sudden death) — 74390 UAH Diagnosis and treatment of rheumatoid arthritis and related diseases - 113990 UAH Stenting of the affected coronary arteries of the heart — 51160 UAH
RIA Novosti Ukraine: https://rian.com.ua/analytics/20171021/1028745749.html
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Old 03-31-2018, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Europe
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Life in Ukraine is becoming more fun and interesting.
Ukrainians got the chance for free medical care in DPR.
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The leader of the "DNR" noted that throughout the "republic" there are not enough thousands of doctors, and those that are, are at pre-retirement age.
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Old 03-31-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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Talk about good timing. I was out in the field these last few days and while at a construction site I ran into some Ukainian guys who were weather proofing and siding a large condo complex. The 2 I had lunch with were from Rivna. I asked them what they thought about the Ukraines economy and they said it was actually so so and not great when it came to certain things like construction. The reason they came over here to work for their uncle 2 years ago. Opportunity in Ukraine is hard to come by.

I got the impressio0n that people in Ukraine are surviving but when it comes to making real money they need to go abroad. I've seen this quite a bit here in Seattle. Fishermen going to Alaska because there is no work in the fishing industry there. Laborers on construction sites. One of these guys was also wanted in Ukraine for skipping out to Russia when the war in the east started. He refused to fight. He fled the country to Moscow and stayed with family there before coming here. We had a good laugh about carrying all your luggage on your back through the Moscow Metro. That should be an Olympic event.
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Old 03-31-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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I haven't actually read any article that claimed that's it's everyone and that's why I corrected DKM. The total sits at 24 if I'm not mistaken. It's most definitely a significant number, but hardly representative of the whole world.

I'm not too keen on China. I admire the speed at which they developed, but the country is far too authoritarian for my liking. I would prefer developing some kind of relationship with Russia in the future as it's far less of opressive than China is.

If we go by potential future superpowers, I'm most fond of Brazil actually. It's the most multicultural one and is quite progressive on a number of social issues, though it's plagued by violence.
Here's something you can do. Educate yourself about China. There's a guy called Serpentza, he's from South Africa and not a westerner who has been living in China for 10 years. All is not what it seems. You should seek truth for yourself and not allow yourself to be spoon fed propaganda.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwbEOc8RQc

As for China and Russia I agree with Solano. Somethnig is afoot and when it comes to a confrontation neither will be alone I suspect.
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Old 03-31-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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I disagree here. The EU may be dealing with its own demons, but the organization has achieved some amazing things over the years.
Even if it's not all roses like you keep saying, it remains leaps and bounds beyond where Russia at this point.
Spain is actually a lot better off as they used to be one of the poorest European countries until the 70's, but have picked up quite a bit following Franco's death.

There are obviously a number of problems with the EU, including the current controversy over the open border policy and not everyone is on board with all the decisions taking place, but a number of countries have benefitted from the EU, including some of the smaller markets like Poland and Croatia.
Open border policy is okay as long as you're not waging wars that create the refugees and asylum seekers. They seemed all on board with the decisions to wage wars. Even some government ministers in Belgium and France boasted of sending criminals to Syria and Libya.

"More than a million people fled to Europe last year, causing a political crisis in the EU."

65.3 million refugees
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Old 03-31-2018, 04:44 PM
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Ukraine has 1.6 million refugees from Russian occupied Donbas and Crimea. Seems Putin is waging war to create crisis.
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Old 03-31-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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Ukraine has 1.6 million refugees from Russian occupied Donbas and Crimea. Seems Putin is waging war to create crisis.
Can't do any better?
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Old 04-01-2018, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Okay lets compare growth rates, even though EU's is already much higher to start with:
2015: EU, 1.7% Russia -2.8%
2016: EU, 2.2% Russia -0.2%

Clearly to kill for. How else do you want to try to twist this into Russia looking like it has a better economic future than the EU? Russia would need a 50% growth rate for a long time to catch the EU. It will never catch up because it is an illiberal corrupt failing state.
using 2 years of data isn't going to paint a clear picture, but yes the numbers don't lie, Russia hasn't done so well in the past ten years.

2007: Russia 8.5% | Poland 7.2%
2008: Russia 5.2% | Poland 3.9%
2009: Russia -7.8% | Poland 2.6%
2010: Russia 4.5% | Poland 3.7%
2011: Russia 4.3% | Poland 5.0%
2012: Russia 3.4% | Poland 1.6%
2013: Russia 1.3% | Poland 1.4%
2014: Russia 0.7% | Poland 3.3%
2015: Russia -3.7% | Poland 3.8%
2016: Russia -0.6% | Poland 2.9%
2017: Russia 1.5% | Poland 4.6%
Avg: Russia 1.73% | Poland 4.0%

Ever since Putin came back for his 3rd term things started going down hill.

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Old 04-01-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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Correct Grega. 2014 was when it started slowing with the imposition of sanctions. From what I understand measures have been taken to correct it but the pay off is not immediate. Just like Chinas silk road, the expenditures are tremendous today but the payoff is far in the future. Possibly decades away. We shall see.

There's no reason Russia should give anything in the face of bad behavior from it's neighbors. Stand for something or fall for anything.
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