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Old 05-08-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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If Russia attacked Ukraine, why did Ukraine not declare war? Why did not close the border? 5 million Ukrainians work in Russia. Why did not stop the trade with Russia? The President of Ukraine has a confectionery factory in Russia.

Too much "why".

And I have a question. Why Odessa and Kharkov as part of Ukraine? This is Russian lands. Bring it back and roll wherever you want, even to hell.
The majority of Kharkiv and Odessa residents consider themselves ethnic Ukrainians.
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Old 05-08-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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This is nonsense. I don't even know who Erich Eichman is, probably a figment of your wild imagination.

Estonia had more immigrants than emigrants last year. The people living there would much rather stay in Europe than have Moscow rule them again. So would all Eastern European countries, who joined NATO to keep Russia from ravaging them ever again.
You need to educate yourself.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:50 PM
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Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
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You need to educate yourself.
Everything in my post is factually correct.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:55 PM
DKM
 
Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
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This is not an alliance. This is a colony.
How does a picture of an invited guest speaking to Ukrainian government representatives equate that Ukraine is a colony? Is America a French colony? I could show you photos of Macron speaking to our Congress last week.

The things Russians have to invent to hide the fact (and reason) that Ukraine wants to be like a Western nation much more than a Russian nation. This is so sad really. All of this is symptom of a declining Russia. Many people there know its government lies to them... Its not a dominant power anymore.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Russia
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How does a picture of an invited guest speaking to Ukrainian government representatives equate that Ukraine is a colony? Is America a French colony? I could show you photos of Macron speaking to our Congress last week.
This is not a guest chair. This is the chair of the President of Ukraine. Symbolism in everything.
You may think that the state apparatus in Ukraine is independent of the United States. I'm not against.

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The things Russians have to invent to hide the fact (and reason) that Ukraine wants to be like a Western nation much more than a Russian nation. This is so sad really. All of this is symptom of a declining Russia. Many people there know its government lies to them... Its not a dominant power anymore.
They can think of anything, but this is not true in the historical perspective. Ukraine can try to break its memory. But I do not think that it will end with something good. Time will tell. Russia will survive without Ukraine.
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:11 PM
DKM
 
Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
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The historical perspective in Ukraine is becoming more clear that they have been occupied by foreign powers (from east and west) for too long and those times are over. All of Eastern Europe feels no desire to align with a tyrannical regime over the EU. Sure opposition politics can be tempted to stray to try to get some concessions but in the end they all keep renewing their sanctions on Russia and will continue to as long as Russia controls the Donbas. This was reiterated today by the speaker of the German parliament.

If Russia wants good relations with Europe, they need to stop attacking Ukraine for wanting to align with Europe. Its pretty clear.
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Old 05-14-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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The historical perspective in Ukraine is becoming more clear that they have been occupied by foreign powers (from east and west) for too long and those times are over. All of Eastern Europe feels no desire to align with a tyrannical regime over the EU. Sure opposition politics can be tempted to stray to try to get some concessions but in the end they all keep renewing their sanctions on Russia and will continue to as long as Russia controls the Donbas. This was reiterated today by the speaker of the German parliament.

If Russia wants good relations with Europe, they need to stop attacking Ukraine for wanting to align with Europe. Its pretty clear.
It was *occupied* for a reason, and this reason is chiefly that Ukraine didn't have what it takes to stand on its own.
It still doesn't, obviously so.
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Old 05-15-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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If Russia wants good relations with Europe, they need to stop attacking Ukraine for wanting to align with Europe. Its pretty clear.
The only way Russia is going to have good relations with a group of nations which have the bloodiest history known is to keep nukes pointed in their direction. The more the better.

Learn your history.
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Old 05-15-2018, 10:38 AM
 
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Everything in my post is factually correct.
Also it's shallow and far off the point. I've been trying to lead you to it but you're like a cow in line at the slaughter house. Every time you're shown a gate to freedom you follow the ass in front of you and the blade in the distance.
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Old 07-26-2018, 11:53 AM
 
Location: SE Estonia
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Recently there was a news about Ukrainian workers here in Estonia, mostly construction workers. Because of low wages in their own Ukraine they move here to seek some better wage (although that Estonian "better" is in fact low as well). Estonian own workers in turn have left the country to seek some better incomes in Finland, in Europe as the employers do not want to and do not pay them sufficiently. Because of that greedy Estonian employers want in turn to have unpretentious Ukrainians here. Bad thing is that Ukrainians are not citizens of EU and have no rights here! Employers late with a payments to Ukrainians, force them to work them 2x more hours per day than the official labor law says, threaten them if some of the Ukrainians complains etc. That was a depressive story, poor Ukrainians.
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