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Old 03-19-2014, 10:47 PM
 
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You (EU and US) launched this mechanism, provoked the war, and now accuse Russia. It's not pretty.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:01 PM
 
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You don't need to ask him for permission anymore, now you need to ask me
May be I should ask Rozenn's permission to switch to French all together.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:03 PM
 
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Everything was fine until the EU and the United States failed to comply a military coup.
What does it mean?
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:18 PM
 
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United States and European Union actively supports the new government, even despite the fact that they violated the agreement of February 21. According to this agreement have been appointed new presidential election. But radicals did not wait and staged a military coup. On the new presidential election they had little chance of being elected.


Although, you can assume that this is Russian propaganda.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:31 PM
 
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Putin did not even need to do. New power in Kiev will do everything for him. I think it's pretty likely that over time Eastern Ukraine will want to join Russia.
This creates a new precedent then, that other countries should learn from unless they want to suffer the same fate: Do not allow ethnic minority populations to grow too large and get concentrated in a certain area, especially if those ethnic minorities have ties to a powerful nation.

In this case, it was Ukraine's "fault" for allowing Russian population/influence in the southeast (esp. Crimea) to grow too powerful.

It's like history is repeating itself; I believe Herr Führer used a similar logic to "save" his "people" in the Sudeten region of Czechoslovakia.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:33 PM
 
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United States and European Union actively supports the new government, even despite the fact that they violated the agreement of February 21. According to this agreement have been appointed new presidential election. But radicals did not wait and staged a military coup. On the new presidential election they had little chance of being elected.


Although, you can assume that this is Russian propaganda.
To comply = подчиняться, so...

"Everything was fine until the EU and the United States failed to comply a military coup."

I couldn't understand what you were talking about.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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To comply = подчиняться, so...

"Everything was fine until the EU and the United States failed to comply a military coup."

I couldn't understand what you were talking about.
Sorry, I wrote wrong.

"Устроили, выполнили, организовали"

"organize a military coup"
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:40 PM
 
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This creates a new precedent then, that other countries should learn from unless they want to suffer the same fate: Do not allow ethnic minority populations to grow too large and get concentrated in a certain area, especially if those ethnic minorities have ties to a powerful nation.

In this case, it was Ukraine's "fault" for allowing Russian population/influence in the southeast (esp. Crimea) to grow too powerful.

It's like history is repeating itself; I believe Herr Führer used a similar logic to "save" his "people" in the Sudeten region of Czechoslovakia.
Wrong parallels, because Germans and Czechs are unrelated people, where Russia started from Ukraine and Ukraine ( after reunification) was part of Russia for the last 300 years. You simply can't draw the clear line where Ukraine is cut off and Russia begins. It's a gradual change and the border is pure geographic term.
More than that, the South-Eastern part of Ukraine, being industrial part of the country, asked to be included in Russian Federation back in 1919 already, but Lenin declined the request.
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:44 PM
 
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Sorry, I wrote wrong.

"Устроили, выполнили, организовали"

"organize a military coup"
They didn't "organize" it per se, they've approved it as legitimate and supported the outcome.
That's what I call "wishful thinking."
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Old 03-19-2014, 11:53 PM
 
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They didn't "organize" it per se, they've approved it as legitimate and supported the outcome.
That's what I call "wishful thinking."
Telephone calls representatives of the USA and the European Union with the organizers of the Maidan were posted online. But maybe it's a fake. You're right, it is impossible to prove, so I can not speak it. I apologize.
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