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Old 03-22-2014, 08:46 PM
 
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"The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) (Ukrainian: Організація Українських Націоналістів, Orhanizatsiya Ukrayins'kykh Natsionalistiv or ОУН) is a Ukrainian political organization which as a movement originally was created in 1929 in Western Ukraine (at the time interwar Poland)"

( See? 1929, even before the Russians showed up on the horizon)
Nationalist=Fascist? If so, almost every Russian is a fascist. Russian nationalism is a must of being a Russian, it's so "natural" Russians don't consider their all-permeating nationalism to be nationalism.

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No it doesn't because although being an authoritarian state it lacks the racial agenda.
No, it's because you are typing nonsense, deliberately. Fascism doesn't mean "Everything that Russians Empire minded nationalists don't like", sorry. There are very clear definitions and "features" of fascism. You know very well that Ukrainian nationalists don't fit those definitions and modern Russian state does.

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Please, he collaborated with fascist Germany after the allies refused to sign the deal with him. So he signed the deal with Hitler, took over as much territory as he could under the circumstances as a buffer zone and watching that Munich agreement, started slowly preparing for the upcoming war, still hoping that he could have avoided being attacked.
Comrade Stalin destroyed German communists to make it easier for Hitler to consolidate power over Germany, comrade Stalin envisioned Germany becoming a competitor to English and French imperialists, little he knew. "Slowly preparing for the upcoming war" = Destroying a buffer Polish state", ingenious scheme. Hitler and Stalin invaded Poland together. Hitler and Stalin started WWII together, face it. It doesn't look like comrade Stalin feared Hitler invasion much or he was not as bright as Russians think he was, he made very disastrous bets.

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And obviously Soviets facing a deadly threat from Germany didn't want any nationalists who were "enthusiastically committed to a new Fascist Europe" in their vicinity. Can you blame them?
Sorry, comrade, Soviets murdered hundreds of thousands of Western Ukrainian educated and properties classes. They didn't care about nationalists much back in 1940. Especially considering that Ukrainian nationalists fought against Polish state 1929-1939, the state Stalin just helped to destroy.

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Any proofs for your "millions dead ethnic Ukrainians in Russia?" Or are you saying it only because it supports the false claims of "genocide of Ukrainians" by Russians that became very popular lately in the US?
You should know that millions of the ethnic Ukrainians (almost completely assimilated as of 2014) populate large chunks of SW Russia and Far East, large chunks of Russia spoke Ukrainian in 1930s. You are a morally deprived individual to put smiley face that is supposed to doubt the death and suffering of the millions of Ukrainian peasants (not counting millions of others) in the Soviet state made famine. Russian state is just as morally deprived, it made denial of the horrendous human suffering and death (there are still surviving witnesses of) to be a matter of state policy. I think it's time to end our "discussions".
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Old 03-22-2014, 09:43 PM
 
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I think it's time to end our "discussions".
Then stop making all kinds of erroneous statements while expecting them to go unrefuted.
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Old 03-23-2014, 12:43 AM
 
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They say there's a barbarian in the Russian probably from the mongolian occupation. Alexander Nevsky sided with the golden horde instead of western european forces. This is what has led to problems with west to the present day. I think the Russians will drink themselves into decline. A politician can only last for 10 years. With putin back in power, I feel it will lead to another era of stagnation that started Brezhnev. Russia depends too much on its oil and has not diversified.
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:01 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Similarity #1, comrade, Egypt and Ukraine are two impoverished countries ruled by astonishingly corrupt regimes having no allegiance to the people they ruled. Russia is the same way, comrade, don't fool yourself. Your country' stability is held together only by high oil prices. Think about the future of diminishing oil sales, because Maidan (or worse) is coming, and Russian people would definitely reprint those leaflets in Russian, because the rules of engagement are the same for Egypt, Ukraine or Russia.
You said nonsense, I showed you from Egypt and leaflets Maidan in Ukraine. It is evident that this case is the same hand. And foolish to believe that the maidan applicable in Russia. We know the story well enough.
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:07 AM
 
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Similarity #1, comrade, Egypt and Ukraine are two impoverished countries ruled by astonishingly corrupt regimes having no allegiance to the people they ruled. Russia is the same way, comrade, don't fool yourself. Your country' stability is held together only by high oil prices. Think about the future of diminishing oil sales, because Maidan (or worse) is coming, and Russian people would definitely reprint those leaflets in Russian, because the rules of engagement are the same for Egypt, Ukraine or Russia.
Russians never will repeat the Maidan with such number of people as in Ukraine.
Unfortunately it can be only 1-2 meetings which are declared in advance in parliament of Russia, or 500-1000 people big cities (and 300 from them will be imprisoned thus after meeting).
Look at a patriotic heat by which many Russians are captured now... even if Putin now would start bombing Ukraine and to kill people, all of them equally would shout "Kill benderovets-save Russia".
How to explain what Putin's rating rose by 3 times after military intervention in the Crimea?
It is the Russian mentality, and it won't change.

By the way now to Ukraine Russians (only yesterday I saw one family) go also. These amusing Russians from Ukraine ask for Russia, and Russians of Russia go to Ukraine at own will...


We will wait than will end this mode in Russia..
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:18 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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, Ukraine in its current borders was a state artificially created by three men - Lenin, Stalin and Khrushev. It's only natural that under the pressure the country starts falling apart along those seams; Crimea is only the beginning.
It is the truth about 3 parts of which Ukraine consists... more precisely even now from 2 parts. The West and the center it rather the monolithic region, at us for example never will pass separatism in Kiev.
And the 2nd part is the southeast where lives a lot of electorate who wishes to return to times of the USSR.
We in Ukraine don't deny it.

Only it is interesting why you don't think Russia consists of how many such separate parts, and how many they will keep together.

Yesterday for example I read about meeting in Buryatia (! ! ) in support of Ukrainians (there by the way there were 30 people and 150 people of militia).
It sincerely touched me... where Buryatia and where Ukraine.
And Putin already except "the red button" has no other of arguments against the world.

He even told inhabitants of the Crimea publicly that "они находятся под ядерным зонтиком теперь, и он их с этим поздравляет".
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:29 AM
 
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Die Revolution the pattern as it was in Egypt, Yugoslavia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Ukraine, Russia will not work. We know who we are unlike Western Ukrainians. You still accuse Russia of what she has no attitude . Have not you noticed the similarity of the events under one template events in Egypt, Yugoslavia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Ukraine?
1 - Creation of the Orange Revolution.
2 - Head of State in charge nonexistent Genocide .
3 - Create a confrontation in the form of shots into the crowd in the two sides. (They were not only in Ukraine, and this is not new) .
4 - the overthrow of the government.
5 Establishment of a puppet government. Funny but not Russia as a participant in these conflicts, as well as most of the time the conflict in Ukraine. Russia appeared later and not an occupation as you show. Many of you are just hypocrites and russophobes!

But, it's funny that the Little Russians- Ukrainians, Belarusians - belorossy and Great - Russian - all Russian. the only difference is their location in the territory of Russia. Ukraine - a Russian word that says - that it is people who live on the edge (edges) of Russia.

A nation that forgets its roots and who they are doomed to extinction.
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:30 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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I copy the forecast about the future of the Crimea by the way because the moderator made the remark in another to a subject probably that it duplicates this subject.

I will try and to make the forecast.
1 . First of all geography: The Crimea while is the same dark stain on the card as the Gaza Strip for the world (it doesn't belong neither Ukraine nor Russia). Thus this status remains to "the unrecognized territory" with the Crimea forever (if there is no something radical).
2 . Then there will be an economy:
2.1 . Introduction of a zone of Russian "ruble" is only the theory. Upon new the parliament of the Crimea (as well as parliament of Russia) has no normal economic plan here. They already delivered a lot of currency "ruble" to the Crimea to replace it with hryvnia.... change at the rate of 3.8 rubles for 1 hryvnia. BUT it is the Ukrainian course, and the prices in the Crimea will be already RUSSIAN (they are higher than the Ukrainian analogs for 30-40% for products and komunnalny payments). It means that inhabitants of the Crimea will have income in the translation at the Ukrainian course, and the prices - already Russian.
They yet didn't understand that actually lose 30-40% of the income.
2.2 . All know that inhabitants of the Crimea live in the basic due to tourism. For 80% of inhabitants of the Crimea at least it means that they receive cash for that that lease the houses. They don't pay taxes, and this income doesn't go to the country budget generally.
Now the new law of Russia forbids them to lease the houses without the permission of local parliament. It means that at best inhabitants of the Crimea will pay a huge profit tax from rent, and at worst (which for me more probable) they won't lease the house in general... and permission to it will be had by only big hotels on the coast.
It means that inhabitants of the Crimea will receive at best 50% of the former income, in the worst - won't receive in general and will live only on social payments.
2.3 . Providing with island resources: our parliament already officially develops new tariffs for resources for inhabitants of the Crimea. They will be much more because the Crimea doesn't belong now to Ukraine and inhabitants of the Crimea will pay market price for water, gas and other important resources. It too at least +50% for payment of resources for life of each inhabitant of the Crimea.
On former low tariffs only those inhabitants of the Crimea who remain citizens of Ukraine will pay.
Already I read projects about construction of power plants on water for the Crimea - I laughed: )
2.4 . Deliveries of products to the island: inhabitants of the Crimea already have rise in prices for the main products of 15-20% because military of Russia don't pass the car from the continent of Ukraine to the Crimea. Further the price will grow with very big speed - mister Putin and his friends didn't submit the plan of providing with products of the Crimea (after all while they didn't manage to take the South of Ukraine to have communication with the continent).
Probably inhabitants of the Crimea think that to them will carry products across the Black Sea: )) For those who doesn't know, it 10 times more expensive than to carry by land.
3 . Ecology: I already wrote earlier that there is a construction project of nuclear power plant to Shchelkovo (to be exact completion of its construction which was stopped because of the increased danger to inhabitants of the island). Despite all danger Russians intend to finish it. Especially as inhabitants need "to be provided with electricity"
4 . We won't forget about service in the Russian army for men. Patriotic Russian euphoria at mothers/wives of the Crimea will pass in a month I think, a claw their sons/husbands will be called up for the Russian military service.
And Aksenov even doesn't hide it: he publicly declared that all will serve, and certainly not only in the Crimea, but also on all the territory of Russia.
And if to consider that that Putin threw now many military to Ukraine how you think dear inhabitants of the Crimea who to him compensates number of military in Russia? Certainly your husbands and sons.
They will serve both in Siberia, and in the Caucasus. It is possible to Chechnya and Dagestan if there is a wish for an extreme (there even service under the contract). And your mothers/wives will have after our death pension in 40 dollars.
5 . And certainly ethnic party of a question: The new parliament of the Crimea was so silly that declared the head of Majlis Dzhemilev the person "non grata" in the Crimea. Mister Aksenov, you that the absolutely stupid? You haven't enough problems with Tatars who almost unanimously don't support Russia, so you do a situation even worse and aggravate the conflict?
If Aksenov continue in the same direction, he will receive guerrilla war with Muslims in the Crimea in some weeks.


P.S.Dear Russians, to you a request not to make comments if only you can't tell anything important.
I am not the doctor who treats chauvinism if you can't with it will cope.
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:53 AM
 
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You'd better think about the fate of Ukraine than the Crimea!
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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And one more unexpected news: Belarus receives delegation of NATO and agrees about "partner programs"...
Interestingly that mister Putin will tell... maybe now will declare that "is concerned by the attitude towards Russians in Belarus"?
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