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Old 03-24-2014, 03:50 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Have you ever vacationed in Crimea?
Thanks for a question: )
I very much love the Crimea, and sometimes we went there 3 times a year even. And I know there many cities from Evpatoria to Kerch where we had a rest.
It was always good rest for me. But always there was no time for other cities of Ukraine.
And this year now I will watch other Ukraine on the holiday.
Ukrainians will live without inhabitants of the Crimea, and whether inhabitants of the Crimea without Ukrainians here will live? Question rhetorical, it is possible not to answer.
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Thanks for a question: )
I very much love the Crimea, and sometimes we went there 3 times a year even. And I know there many cities from Evpatoria to Kerch where we had a rest.
It was always good rest for me. But always there was no time for other cities of Ukraine.
And this year now I will watch other Ukraine on the holiday.
Ukrainians will live without inhabitants of the Crimea, and whether inhabitants of the Crimea without Ukrainians here will live? Question rhetorical, it is possible not to answer.
Do you think you can trust the results of the referendum?
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Old 03-24-2014, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Do you think you can trust the results of the referendum?
I think that in the Crimea there lives more than one million Russians, and it is the fact. And almost all of them don't consider Ukraine as the homeland, it too the fact.
But 87% are certainly inveracious figure. At most I think it 50%. They also helped to decide destiny of the Crimea: )
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:03 AM
 
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Regardless, if Western nations like Britain can actually go to war to defend the "will of the English people" living on far-flung rocks like the Falklands, then Russia certainly has the right to defend the will of the ethnic Russians living in the Crimea.

But there is a catch here, of course. That is, once the Crimea goes back to the "embrace of the motherland", can it secede from Mother Russia with another referendum in the Crimea if things don't work out?

Mr Putin probably already have an answer to that question....
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:22 AM
 
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Ukraine is closer to those to EU.

Even 'closer' now than before. From the looks of it, Putin's policies dictate it. The cat's out of the bag. (how you say in Ukraine/Russian?) And the more Russia intereferes in Ukraine's economics the more intent the EU/US will be in looking at that matter as very important to get shored up. Actions now in the Crimea really bring out 'Putinism' in its finest to the democratic countries of Europe. They are getting 'hip' to the old boy. They see how autocracy when it runs unchecked can screw up things anywhere. Putin has his 'victory' but taking one from the ancients it's probably a 'pyrhhic' one.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Regardless, if Western nations like Britain can actually go to war to defend the "will of the English people" living on far-flung rocks like the Falklands, then Russia certainly has the right to defend the will of the ethnic Russians living in the Crimea.
WTF? Argentina attacked and invaded the Falklands which legally belonged to the UK. Britain protected its citizens from an foreign invader.

Russia invaded Crimea which belongs legally to Ukraine. Russia had and has no legal right to snatch territory from other countries.

And "protect ethnic Russians". Right. If Sweden starts to harass Finns in Sweden, do we have the right to attack?
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:50 AM
 
Location: NoVa
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Regardless, if Western nations like Britain can actually go to war to defend the "will of the English people" living on far-flung rocks like the Falklands, then Russia certainly has the right to defend the will of the ethnic Russians living in the Crimea.

But there is a catch here, of course. That is, once the Crimea goes back to the "embrace of the motherland", can it secede from Mother Russia with another referendum in the Crimea if things don't work out?

Mr Putin probably already have an answer to that question....

You're comparing two different scenarios. Russia does not get a pass just because other nations have used military/war for territorial disputes.

On another note, I am wondering if Russia will continue to push/encourage annexation of Belarus once this is over with...
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Old 03-24-2014, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Russia does not get a pass...
And here I don't agree. You know, in how many estimated all arms and equipment of the Ukrainian military in the Crimea? Almost in 20 billion dollars.
Thus Russia doesn't allow to relocate our military on the continent together with the weapon which belongs to Ukraine.
Besides you know in how many the property of Ukraine in the Crimea is estimated? There are many large enterprises of Ukraine - "Chernomorneftegaz", "Ukrzaliznitsya", some wineries (Inkermansky plant of vintage wines, Evpatoriysky winery (TM "Golitsynsky Wines"), Massandra, the Bakhchsarai winery, DP "Crimean Wine House" (TM Oreanda), plant of vintage wines and Koktebel cognacs (is a part "Crimean vodka company"), Gold Beam agrofirm, plant of sparkling wines "New light". ) ... So there are 9 state dachas of the Ukrainian parliament. And in how many to estimate Seastopol's ports, Yalta, Feodosiya, Evpatoria?
Besides the developed travel business on the peninsula there are large private enterprises of the food industry, affiliated structures of the Ukrainian agroholdings, chemical, steel and engineering plants and construction companies.
Also in the Crimea work 880 offices and branches of banks, including 156 offices of "Privatbank" largest in Ukraine, and also the Russian banks.
And production of resources on a shelf of the Black Sea?

Mister Aksenov is going to take so here simply and to nationalize everything?
Ukraine already prepares documents in the International Courts of Justice, and Putin will lose a lot of other Russian property in the territory of Ukraine. And it will be fair.

Here the list of all objects which belong to Crimea/Ukraine (in Russian to translate much)-438 objects in total:
http://zakon4.rada.gov.ua/krym/show/rbl982002-00
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:17 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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And here I don't agree. You know, in how many estimated all arms and equipment of the Ukrainian military in the Crimea? Almost in 20 billion dollars.
Thus Russia doesn't allow to relocate our military on the continent together with the weapon which belongs to Ukraine.
Besides you know in how many the property of Ukraine in the Crimea is estimated? There are many large enterprises of Ukraine - "Chernomorneftegaz", "Ukrzaliznitsya", some wineries (Inkermansky plant of vintage wines, Evpatoriysky winery (TM "Golitsynsky Wines"), Massandra, the Bakhchsarai winery, DP "Crimean Wine House" (TM Oreanda), plant of vintage wines and Koktebel cognacs (is a part "Crimean vodka company"), Gold Beam agrofirm, plant of sparkling wines "New light". ) ... So there are 9 state dachas of the Ukrainian parliament. And in how many to estimate Seastopol's ports, Yalta, Feodosiya, Evpatoria?
Besides the developed travel business on the peninsula there are large private enterprises of the food industry, affiliated structures of the Ukrainian agroholdings, chemical, steel and engineering plants and construction companies.
Also in the Crimea work 880 offices and branches of banks, including 156 offices of "Privatbank" largest in Ukraine, and also the Russian banks.
And production of resources on a shelf of the Black Sea?

Mister Aksenov is going to take so here simply and to nationalize everything?
Ukraine already prepares documents in the International Courts of Justice, and Putin will lose a lot of other Russian property in the territory of Ukraine. And it will be fair.

Here the list of all objects which belong to Crimea/Ukraine (in Russian to translate much)-438 objects in total:
Перечень предприятий, учреждений, организаций, заведений,... | от 15.03.2000 № 982-2/2000 (Страница 1 из 2)
The question! Who built all in Crimea? Russia or Ukraine?
Russia contained in the detriment of 15 republics in the last 70 years.
Russia is the successor of the USSR.
Russia pays debts for all 15 republics to 2000-ies .
So why Russia cannot take away what rightfully always belonged to Russia?
Crimea belonged to Ukraine with 54 years ,only formally,as it was one country. But since she broke up,she was obliged to return the Crimea 24 years ago.Ukraine did not invest in the Region,only withdraw part of the income for Kiev.
Can you now have to pay Russia for 70 years, the content of your country?
With regard to military property, your figures are fictitious. Of military equipment there almost all junk and not in combat-ready condition. You will have to pay for utilization.лол

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Old 03-24-2014, 09:23 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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A special economic zone!!!

Ahahahahahah! Ukraine is a poor country!!

Special economic zone my toot!
A special area for Russia. If you do not understand! There will be more important for the formation of a new business. There will be no taxes on income and property. This will attract a lot of investment in the region. Many have even in my region are willing to invest in such a case, the Crimea, I am no exception.
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