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Yes, that is the way I feel. After all, there are no clear definitions on what the West is. There is no reference map or anything. And to me personally Poland is not part of the West, no. Or, if I include it, Russia is also part of the West, which however most people will not agree on.
And again, saying country x is not part of the West is in no way negative. I am not one of those people thinking that the West is the standard or goal.
If there are no clear definitions on what the West is, how can you possibly say Poland is not part of the West?
This statement makes absolutely no sense to me.
Another thing: Is "West" the same thing as the EU? Assuming Poland is not part of the "West", can it be a member of the EU? To add to the confusion, once a country becomes a EU member, does it becomes a part of the "West"?
If there are no clear definitions on what the West is, how can you possibly say Poland is not part of the West?
This statement makes absolutely no sense to me.
Another thing: Is "West" the same thing as the EU? Assuming Poland is not part of the "West", can it be a member of the EU? To add to the confusion, once a country becomes a EU member, does it becomes a part of the "West"?
As I said earlier, either Poland AND Russia are part of the West, or neither, as geographically and linguistically they don't belong to Latin and Germanic Europe, i.e. Western Europe.
Can it be? It is, so obviously it can, which is not to say it should. Anyway, since it is, there is no reason why Russia should not be part of it as well.
The EU, where the E stand for Europe, is not the same as the West, and it could include Eastern European countries as well, including Russia. In theory, one could turn it into a EAU, from the Atlantic in the West to the Pacific in the East.
But then again, I am against such unions to begin with, including the EU.
As I said earlier, either Poland AND Russia are part of the West, or neither, as geographically and linguistically they don't belong to Latin and Germanic Europe, i.e. Western Europe.
Can it be? It is, so obviously it can, which is not to say it should. Anyway, since it is, there is no reason why Russia should not be part of it as well. The EU, where the E stand for Europe, is not the same as the West, and it could include Eastern European countries as well, including Russia. In theory, one could turn it into a EAU, from the Atlantic in the West to the Pacific in the East.
But then again, I am against such unions to begin with, including the EU.
Thank you for the clarification. This is approximately what I have gathered from your previous post.
To be fair, though, it seems to me (am I'm sure to many other posters, as well) that you, on the other hand, see the West in general and the US in particular as the eternal evil, even if you claim that you try to see things from both sides. Am I (somewhat) right saying this?
No, you are not right. Of course I don't consider West ( and even the US in particular ) to be "eternal evil." It's just in this particular developing situation, when I put it in the context of the nineties, I consider West to be at fault, ( and the US in particular) because of too much greed on their part pushed things over the limit. They've tried to completely eliminate Russia out of the game, when Russians in fact offered the concessions ( dropping the threatening ideology that served them well for quite some time) and letting go of their spoils of the second world war. What they've received in exchange was a deceit - simple and pure. But slimy deals (as now history proves) don't end up well. Why? The only conclusion is that Russia indeed is not "pure evil" as someone would like to believe, but she has her own grain of truth and merit. It's not something that only West possesses on exclusive terms.
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As for my behaviour, you should change your attitude, as well. Drop this condescending tone that is very often present in your posts/responses. It doesn't add to the discussion, either. It's not like you have the monopoly on truth and understanding.
And how do you know? It's the internet, nobody knows for sure who is who.
Besides, as condescending as I might sound to you, I don't question the level of your dumbness, so I don't ask for much - just be polite please.
P.S. I'll respond to your next post (2289) because what you are talking there is more complex and it requires more time for consideration.
Thank you for the clarification. This is approximately what I have gathered from your previous post.
To be fair, though, it seems to me (am I'm sure to many other posters, as well) that you, on the other hand, see the West in general and the US in particular as the eternal evil, even if you claim that you try to see things from both sides. Am I (somewhat) right saying this?
No, you are not right. Of course I don't consider West ( and even the US in particular ) to be "eternal evil." It's just in this particular developing situation, when I put it in the context of the nineties, I consider West to be at fault, ( and the US in particular) because of too much greed on their part pushed things over the limit. They've tried to completely eliminate Russia out of the game, when Russians in fact offered the concessions ( dropping the threatening ideology that served them well for quite some time) and letting go of their spoils of the second world war. What they've received in exchange was a deceit - simple and pure. But slimy deals (as now history proves) don't end up well. Why? The only conclusion is that Russia indeed is not "pure evil" as someone would like to believe, but she has her own grain of truth and merit. It's not something that only West possesses on exclusive terms.
And how do you know? It's the internet, nobody knows for sure who is who.
Besides, as condescending as I might sound to you, I don't question the level of your dumbness, so I don't ask for much - just be polite please.
Well, I didn't question the level of your dumbness, either. Seriously, couldn't you see that? I don't know what the fuss was about.
I've no idea why you reported me (the second time, that is).
p.s. Now, you still sound condescending in this post.
Oh, I have forgotten to mention this - I never "reported" you to anyone - not my style, too lazy to push any extra-buttons. So someone else did.
Sorry, I assumed you did.
Especially the second time, as you officially issued me the last warning.
You see, we are both not mean hearted people, you and me.
All you need to do is to agree with me (and with the rest of the progressive humankind) that Ukrainian people have the right for self-determination and that Crimea is still a Ukrainian territory and that Russians should keep away and leave the people alone.
Just open your heart and your mind and forget about what happened in the past.
Peace and love! (oh, wait... damn hippies! )
Last edited by movingwiththewind; 03-26-2014 at 01:35 PM..
P.S Besides, I have a nineteen years old at home who is rather annoying and if I'd go as far as pushing any extra-buttons, I'd rather report him to some kind of moderator than you.
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