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Old 04-07-2014, 10:41 PM
 
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How can EU and US support a new fascist ukrainian government?
http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1396929236
Translation:
From the official Tyagnibok's forum:
The implementation of the lustration will not be enough to create a really ukrainian Ukraine in the cities of the East and South. We need cancel parliamentarism, prohibit all political parties, nationalize all industry and mass media, prohibit import of any literature from Russia, prohibit publication of everything on russian language even ABC-book, replace all executive staff of the civil servants, management of the education and military (especially on the East), exterminate all russian intelligentsia and all ukrain-phobes (shoot on the spot without trial. Any member of the "Svoboda" can make a list of the ukrain-phobes), put to death all members of the anti-ukrainian parties and organizations, not only pro-russian ones, but including pro-romanian, pro-hungarian and pro-tatarian.

That is why people of the East and South Ukraine want to join Russia, because they want to live.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:42 PM
 
Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Right Sektor has like 1.6% support....

This is a fabrication by Russia and is typical of the country's rhetoric.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Finland
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How can EU and US support a new fascist ukrainian government?
http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1396929236
Translation:
From the official Tyagnibok's forum:
The implementation of the lustration will not be enough to create a really ukrainian Ukraine in the cities of the East and South. We need cancel parliamentarism, prohibit all political parties, nationalize all industry and mass media, prohibit import of any literature from Russia, prohibit publication of everything on russian language even ABC-book, replace all executive staff of the civil servants, management of the education and military (especially on the East), exterminate all russian intelligentsia and all ukrain-phobes (shoot on the spot without trial. Any member of the "Svoboda" can make a list of the ukrain-phobes), put to death all members of the anti-ukrainian parties and organizations, not only pro-russian ones, but including pro-romanian, pro-hungarian and pro-tatarian.

That is why people of the East and South Ukraine want to join Russia, because they want to live.
You speak English. Why don't you read something else than Russian media? Try the BBC website, for example. I can promise you anything like that is completely false. There has, and will not be any reprisals for the Russian minorities.
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:00 PM
 
Location: British Columbia, Canada
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The west is in solidarity with the Ukrainian people and their right to break away from centuries of Russian domination. Hopefully you can keep the rest of your country intact and we can help in some way.
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:07 PM
 
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http://rt.com/news/kharkov-clashes-u...ependence-993/

"In a rare incident, Dnepropetrovsk city authorities moved to negotiate with the anti-government activists. According to the region’s vice governor, Boris Filatov, both the “left-wing” and the pro-Russian protesters agreed to refrain from “calls for separatist actions.” In return, the authorities said they will let the activists use some cabinets in the administrative buildings for their “meetings and work,” as well as provide them with “free access” to local printed media."

I think this is an important detail to remember. Unlike Crimea, for which it was downright beneficial to ask to be included in Russian Federation, South-Eastern Ukraine doesn't need such thing. I think what would be really in their interest is autonomy, independence from Kiev ( and Western part of Ukraine,) and not necessarily unification with Russia. They really don't need that, but will they be able to achieve what's really in THEIR interests, not EU, not US and not Kiev? For many over there I think waving Russian flags and chanting "Putin" is rather a sign of rebellion against foreign domination that has been imposed on them against their will, but if they'd have a chance to vote for what they really want, chances are that many would prefer simply independence from Kiev and not necessarily unification with Russia. "Russia" in this case is a security blanket for the most part, (except for some die-hards of course, who'd like unification for real.)
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:16 PM
 
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Can you imagine presence of the foreign mercenaries in your country, in your city? But ukrainian state is going to use them (as in Blackwater) against their own people!
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:25 PM
 
Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Kiev is going to have to bend on two official languages, but shouldn't anything else.





Hopefully the die hards accept a compromise that lets the vast ethnic Ukrainian majority embrace the west as they've clearly expressed is their desire and accept an ethnic and cultural identity with Russia, not national. No other country on the planet has attempted to do what Russia is doing so hypocritically.

There's enormous hypocrisy when Russia demands a Bosnia and Herzegovina situation in a neighbouring sovereign state yet has one of the most centralized dictatorships on the globe. This is an unreasonable demand, period.

The transitional government in Ukraine feels they have no choice but but to hire mercenaries after the first annexation on the planet since Kuwait into Iraq in 1991. They're terrified for their national integrity and are being held hostage by a Russia that will not accept the majority in a buffer state breaking off and forming its own path without partitioning the country. This is appalling behaviour and has left the weak government in Kiev little choice if Western governments will not deploy troops.
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What? Where? How? By whom?
That is, do you think that the overthrow of Yanukovych was constitutional? That the killings of unarmed police and the seizure of power - is it normal? In Russia and East Ukraine do not think so.

Yanukovych called for early elections, but protesters did not wait and used force. Europe and the United States recognize their power. And now, Europe and the U.S. pretend that Russia aggressor. Although, if Europe and the United States did not help the protesters and did not recognize their authority, Ukraine would have remained intact and were held early elections. You intervene in the life of the Slavic countries without understanding the processes that take place there.
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Kharkiv
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You were born on the wrong side of an international boundary like the Germans/Austrians in South Tryol, Italy or the Somalis in Kenya.
This is a bad example about Austria and Germany. Both countries are united the EU. Kiev is trying to divide us from Russia.
It is no secret that the people of East don't want to live in the EU and want to join the Customs Union with Russia.
Also very few people who live in the East and recognized the Government Yatsenyuk and Turchynov. This fact unites us also Russia too.
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:48 PM
 
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You speak English. Why don't you read something else than Russian media? Try the BBC website, for example. I can promise you anything like that is completely false.

How can you"promise" anything without even being able to read language and check on the source?

This is the source - Tagnibok's forum in Ukrainian (it's definitely not "Russian media,) and judging by the level of "intelligence" there - the quoted text that you've announced as "false" fits right in.

"" :: - ?

I don't have neither time or desire to dig further in this garbage, when on the first page of this thread I see something like

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Hitler was working on behalf of Jews, which he proved when he refused to recognize the independence of Baltic countries and Ukraine.
Latvians, Estonians and people of Galitsia were recognized as Aryans"
and the rest of nonsense)))))

Tells right there the "quality" of Tyagnobok's train of thought, his party "Svoboda" and his forum))))
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