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Old 04-28-2014, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Finland
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This is largely a protest against illegal immigration in Russia. People come without education and enter the bandits gang.
And they are neo-nazis.
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Russia
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And they are neo-nazis.
Yeah, I guess silly to deny it. Always someone will deal with foolishness.
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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It's different. There is many people who worship Hitler around the world. But nobody in Russia will worship traitors like Vlasov or Bandera or polizeis or anybody else. If somebody would organize anniversary of SS division they will be beaten very severe.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Finland
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they will be beaten very severe.
Yes, Russians like violence.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:30 PM
 
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Yes, Russians like violence.
And so do Ukrainians.
The question is - why non-violent, *peaceful* West sticks its nose where it doesn't belong?
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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Forget about Moscow.
Do they have them in EASTERN UKRAINE - that is the question.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Forget about Moscow.
Do they have them in EASTERN UKRAINE - that is the question.
Sure they have them. But Russian media intentionally overestimates their influence in the Ukraine and they forget that Russia itself has huge problems with Neo Nazis and ultra-nationalists.
Also, Moscow's and the separatist's current approach to deal with them by promoting a Russian Anschluss of the Eastern provinces doesn't really help. By any means, it makes it even worse...
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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I'm not surprised to read this:

The Mafia Ruling Ukraine

Of course, organized crime wants to be on the side of the winners, whoever they are.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:09 PM
 
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Sure they have them. But Russian media intentionally overestimates their influence in the Ukraine and they forget that Russia itself has huge problems with Neo Nazis and ultra-nationalists.
Let's go over it one more time; - I've asked the question "does EASTERN Ukraine have Neo-Nazi?"

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Also, Moscow's and the separatist's current approach to deal with them by promoting a Russian Anschluss of the Eastern provinces doesn't really help. By any means, it makes it even worse...
No, the separatists approach to deal with Neo-Nazi from WESTERN UKRAINE - to turn to Russia for help, is the ONLY realistic way to deal with the problem.
Since we should keep in mind those $5 billion that the US spent on Ukraine in order to install the government serving American interests, and EU which is openly seeking moving NATO in Ukraine, with both of them considering "the enemy of my enemy ( i.e. West Ukrainian Neo-Nazi) is my friend," the only way (I repeat ) for Eastern Ukrainians to deal with this situation is to turn for help to Russia. As corrupt as Russia is, it's still a power to rely on. The rest of "options" are unrealistic and won't help Eastern Ukrainians.
I'm sure if Eastern Ukrainians would have their say in this whole ordeal, most likely they'd like to stay as a separate entity both from Kiev and Moscow, but having close economic ties with Russia.
The "alignment with EU" is not in their interests.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Finland
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No, the separatists approach to deal with Neo-Nazi from WESTERN UKRAINE - to turn to Russia for help, is the ONLY realistic way to deal with the problem.
Rather neo-nazis than the Slav tricolor flying over our parliamentary building. Whatever instead of the Russian yoke, even satan himself.

All countries that have suffered Russia will agree. History has shown us that Russia, the bulge of Asia, don't bring anything else but misery to the countries they occupy. Forget about Tolstoi, Dostoyevsky or Shostakovich, the reality is just horror and oppression.

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