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Old 05-09-2014, 10:51 AM
Location: Trieste
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Ukraine army seizing of Mariupol

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Old 05-09-2014, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Italian (x)lurker View Post
Donetsk sent battalion there to help, looks like it's over, the mayor of Mariupol is on the run, they've raised the Donetsk Republic flag in the city.

P.S. Oh, they've seized "BMP" as well, whatever it means)))
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:29 PM
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The so-called Congress "Ukraine- Russia : Dialogue ", organized at the initiative like Mikhail Khodorkovsky, in Kiev attended by many famous russophobes , including Alexander Morozov someone who calls himself a journalist and political analyst , but in real life working the chief editor of "Russian Journal "( founders - Gleb Pavlovsky , Gelman , Sergey Chernyshev ) .

What could he tell the truth - you know , but that's one piece , to unveil the process of forming a new elite Putin is really interesting :

Question: Will it cause " the closing of Russia" revolt of the elites against Putin ?

AM: No, not the cause . Because Putin bloodless cleaning. He offers to leave everyone who does not want to stay logged in autarky. As a result of this policy a critical mass of discontented elites have never formed . Already left , for example, Chirkunov and Koch .

And the people who have sponsored programs of liberalization and modernization in Russia . We are used to measure the yardstick of modernity, where the vast majority of the elite grouped within the country to protect their interests (as in Egypt or Turkey ) . But we live in a situation postobschestva when disaffected just go away . Now in Russia virtually no stories about raiding, people voluntarily go to the cache when they were come to the proposals from the KGB .

And for those who want to stay with Putin on the boat, he offers to take capital from the West, voluntarily assume the restrictions on the departure of relatives, conduct transactions . He wants to create a new team , a new " Order of the Sword " to replace the still represented " cooperative " Lake " . And it creates a new loyalty by these restrictions on relations with the outside world .

Here are now decomposed . Generally like to think something else is not quite blinded russophobia but Russophobic minded people now reigns eerie gloom - they see that Putin's Russia has chosen a strategy which is almost impossible to beat without a fundamental restructuring of the West. This strategy - consolidation within and outside the confrontation . " His - all strangers - only smell from afar ." And it works . Dissatisfied squeezed out , and those who from the outside - a very different conversation , without the giveaway and indulgence .

Frankly , dropping euphemisms - Russia so long looked at shameless lies and distortion of the West , convinced of the futility of appeal to logic, letter agreements and " equality before the law" that the West decided to respond in kind. " Peretarantinit Tarantino ."

West received otvetku the same coin - just confused . He says Putin suspended - how can you lie like that , and Putin laughs . " Can we as scouts ." You 're lying - why can not we ? Yes, we know how to better your lie . Did you catch , hahahaha .

Well, what the West do?

And here there is a fool Psak on the podium and mutters , saying that Kiev sent troops defending only store weapons and no one else attacked - a twist on the TV shoot , how these same forces captured militia roadblocks and shoot at civilians .

Nuland shakes photo bearded Cossack , stating that it " Russian GRU officer named Baba" - Babai and giving interviews in which Nuland laughs and says that he served urgent conventional infantry back in the 90s , and since then close to army approached. U.S. State Department official said that in Ukraine there is no American mercenaries - but still see the pictures where these people are discharged in Ukrainian airports , and then they still being captured rebels federates , and disguised as ukrainckogo Interior Ministry special forces mercenaries do not find anything better how to show their passports of American citizens. Nightmare and feyspalm .

That's all - a complete disgrace U.S. permanent opening of their lies, and against this background, the U.S. cries " lies the Kremlin" look lame attempt to shift the blame on others.

Here Crimea - picked up and went to Russia . Without firing a shot , with the referendum , voted "for" 98 percent of the vote . So what to do ? If Russian tanks have entered at least , shot , killed someone - we could talk about what they are occupiers .

If in the " captured " the Crimea, as in US-occupied Iraq, suicide bombers blew up every day - we could say that this occupation . But this is nothing. And the U.S. look idiotic when they start screaming , saying that " Russian occupied Crimea" - because they themselves 20 years earlier taught the whole world to the admissibility of "humanitarian bombing " and " democratization through occupation."

The U.S. can not just say - that " yes, it can be us , and you - you can not ," because then collapse last illusions about the " free country ." And they are forced to twist and wriggle , inventing some "special cases" - that is laughable at any reasonable person .

They relied on the fact that the domestic Russian elite fold conditional Putin if he goes against the United States - but their greed these few elite fed from the table , and when it became necessary to choose the elites with whom they - "American piece " did not look for they weighty enough .

What can I say - even if Russia's trade with the United States looks ridiculous ( it is 10 times smaller than China and 25 times less than the EU - okay EU trade with the Russian Federation is the U.S. trade turnover of Russia with Poland ) , if centers of the real economy spilled over into Asia and Europe - that the United States can offer these elites ? Camping in Miami, where the former Russian oligarch strangled by scarf as Berezovsky?

Putin's new elite

Russian elites have chosen - and chose Putin , and not Obama. And those few who held fast to the U.S. to blackmail - or were forced to leave on good terms , Koch , or go the hard way , as Khodorkovsky .

The current sanctions - this is hysterical, U.S. attempts to "punish disobedient " elitist for the " wrong choice " , but the result , it turns out strictly the opposite - even those who doubted now see that the United States can not be trusted in anything. These lie to breathe as they throw a "partner" does not even benefit from , but just because they can throw .
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:32 PM
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Ukrainian leaders of the radical movement " Right sector" in late April went to the U.S. for talks with representatives of the U.S. State Department . According to the source "News" from the Ukrainian radicals U.S. coordinator visited the "right sector " Andrew Artyomenko . Negotiations with the State Department led Victoria Nuland .

- Americans offered Artyomenko financial and informational assistance in the making of the "right sector " full-fledged political party. U.S. proposed form of Ukrainian radical party with a political platform , party structure and network of branches throughout Ukraine . In response to the financial assistance Nuland demanded that the leaders of the "right sector " of the complete demilitarization of the movement after the presidential election - told " Izvestia " a senior official in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.

According to him, U.S. State Department officials were willing to " invest " in the party building of Ukrainian Nationalists 5-10 million.

- The initiative put forward by the Americans and their conditions are not satisfied with the head of the "right sector " Dmitry Yarosh . He told Americans that the proposed amount is not sufficient , and in the case of disarmament organization, its leaders might be in danger of physical elimination - says a source from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.

For a visa to travel to the United States Artyomenko personally designed the American ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payet .
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:18 PM
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In this video you can see how the military killed unarmed people. One of the men was a photographer.

- | VK
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ramzes55 View Post
At the rally in honor of Victory Day in Kherson, before all veterans, Deputy - appearance Odarchenko called Hitler, the liberator, and Stalin the tyrant.
And, of course, Russia to blame in this. And Putin.
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:29 PM
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Default New details came to light in the morning events Mariupol.

The police chief Valery Androschuk ordered to use force against protesting citizens . Policemen told his boss that perform such an order will not be , and told him that taking the side of the people. In response Androschuk pulled guns and shot one of his subordinates , seriously wounding him . Interior Ministry officers mutinied .

Androschuk barricaded himself in one of the offices in the building and called the police department to help the National Guard . Those promptly arrived and started the attack.

By the time of the assault on the city streets , there were many civilians who took part in the Victory Day parade . Soldiers of the National Guard to shoot to kill and civil, and police . Killed a policeman and two civilians . More than two dozen people were injured .

Androschuk during the assault tried to escape . Locals caught and beat him . On the fate of police chief information yet.

The townspeople are shocked that the National Guard has used heavy equipment and acted against civilians , and assure that they are then ready to defend what they would at any cost .

Currently the National Guard urgently evacuated from the city, fearing people's vengeance , erected barricades in the city .
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:38 PM
Location: Russia
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This video also shows how the unarmed residents of the city are trying to stop the soldiers, but the military fired on them.

бандеры открыли огонь по мирным жителям Мариуполь 9 мая 20141 - YouTube

Guilty, of course, Russia.
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Old 05-09-2014, 01:55 PM
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Originally Posted by pigeonhole View Post
I can't stand watching/ reading the news about Ukraine anymore, I believe I'm starting getting a depression because of it .
Yesterday evening I watched French tv , the anti russian hysteria/disinformation/propaganda is so extreme there, probably worse than FoxNews, I wanted to vomit.
I think I'll take a break for a while, I can't stand it anymore!
Interesting. The French TV part but not the vomit part. I am actually curious about what the European media has been saying about the Ukraine crisis.

Here in America the media right now is giving a lot of the attention to the missing girls in Nigeria. Before that there was weeks of coverage of the missing Malaysian plane in the Indian ocean. I can understand the importance of the missing girls but the WEEKS of plane coverage was far too much.

Regarding the French, they have a long history of being concerned about the liberty and independence of the smaller nations of eastern Europe like Poland and Romania. That might partially explain their anger.
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Old 05-09-2014, 02:00 PM
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In Russia the news is almost entirely about Ukraine.
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