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Old 07-26-2014, 01:16 AM
 
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Surely it's for the Ukrainian people to decide in which direction they want to go not Russia's. Joining the EU might not be the perfect solution for the Ukrainians, but when you look at the corruption and economic mess that Russia's in today, it's no wonder Ukrainians prefer the EU.
"To decide" - it's for people who understand politics and particularly economy.
People who don't understand such things ( and Ukrainian people, very much like Russians back in the 90ies) can't make wise and informed decisions. Of course Ukrainians may "prefer EU," but life is not a fairy-tale, where you can "wish" and it just "happens". There are practical, objective reasons why Ukraine has been dependent on Russia for centuries and why Ukraine can't just jump into EU, just because "Ukrainians prefer E.U." Had they be more aware in practical sense and could weigh out for real all the pros and contras of such decision - then yes, we'd be talking about real choices.

So the projection of Western standards onto Ukraine in terms of "decisions" is useless to say the least.
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Old 07-26-2014, 01:24 AM
 
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P.S. And speaking about "Russian corruption" - look who is talking)))

David Cameron rebuffs calls to pay back donation from Putin crony's wife | Mail Online

( As I've already said - London loves to point at Russian corruption with one hand and to accept the looted money with the other.)
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Old 07-26-2014, 02:17 AM
 
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Default Ukraine has NO future

Death of "the fair khokhol"

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Inscription: "The fair khokhol" (khokhol = ukrainian, slang)
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Old 07-26-2014, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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"To decide" - it's for people who understand politics and particularly economy.
People who don't understand such things ( and Ukrainian people, very much like Russians back in the 90ies) can't make wise and informed decisions. Of course Ukrainians may "prefer EU," but life is not a fairy-tale, where you can "wish" and it just "happens"
I disagree. You make it sound like Ukrainians are children who can't think for themselves.

Joining the EU should be a no-brainer. Look at all the former USSR countries that joined the EU, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. They are light years ahead of where they were 23 years ago.

Estonia's GDP increased 30% since they joined the EU. Only a fool would think that being tied to Russia is a good thing.
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Old 07-26-2014, 02:43 AM
 
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These people just don't get it.
They don't get it, that not everyone is looking forward to be a "second sort person in Europe" looking for menial jobs, instead of living and working in his/her own country.
They think that Eastern Ukrainians don't see what it is all about, watching Balts, or even Bulgarians for this matter.
And these people don't get the mood of Western Europeans themselves - what they feel about all this cheap labor flooding their countries. It's all the convenient cliches about "happy solution" of "joining the E.U."
in England the country want out the eu fast, before we sink
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Old 07-26-2014, 05:15 AM
 
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In this video Anton Guryanov warns inhabitants of Ukraine about acts of terrorism preparing by the power. The purpose to accuse Russia.

Customers of acts of terrorism misters Avakov and Nalivaychenko.

Information background is prepared. Fraction of communists dismissed. It is time to set fire to a Reichstag...

PS According to some reports on Ukraine delivered munitions with depleted uranium.On boxes it is written: "Property of the US"
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Old 07-26-2014, 06:10 AM
 
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U.S. and EU use in ukraine old but effective methods:

"... Hitler followed his principles so clearly set out in" Mein Kampf ":
1. Enemy must be one.
2. All evil must come from him, even if it is not.
3. Broad masses have a poor ability to understand.
4. Broad masses have unlimited ability to forget. "
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Old 07-26-2014, 06:28 AM
 
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Re: 'video noting 130,000 ran to Russia'

The war is in a new phase now.Russia wants to control the borders now. Rockets are coming from the Russian side into Ukraine. It is of the utmost importance now to hold 'pro Russian' territory inside Ukraine. The MH17 incident now us an afterthought.

So from all this what can we deduce? I am sure as the sun rises and sets that we are witnessing the
preparation of Russian troop movement within Ukraine. It's really just a matter of time. Russia, when frustrated, always goes to the tried and true...force. They want RESULTS. It will give Europe something to think about deeply. They have a big problem from a state that doesn't seem to mind to up the ante there.
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Old 07-26-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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I disagree. You make it sound like Ukrainians are children who can't think for themselves.

Joining the EU should be a no-brainer. Look at all the former USSR countries that joined the EU, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. They are light years ahead of where they were 23 years ago.

Estonia's GDP increased 30% since they joined the EU. Only a fool would think that being tied to Russia is a good thing.
if the Ukrainians were give a vote tonight to join the EU , there would be no Ukrainians left in the Ukraine, they would all be heading to any other EU country regardless of permits, and England would be there main stop, but we don't want them we don't like them for there German connection WITH THE JEWS IN THE WAR.
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Old 07-26-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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I disagree. You make it sound like Ukrainians are children who can't think for themselves.

Joining the EU should be a no-brainer. Look at all the former USSR countries that joined the EU, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. They are light years ahead of where they were 23 years ago.

Estonia's GDP increased 30% since they joined the EU. Only a fool would think that being tied to Russia is a good thing.
Ukraine is not joining the EU, where did you get this from? There is nothing on the table for Ukraine to join the EU; the issue was surrounding a trade agreement, not joining the EU.

Russia's GDP increased also and it is not part of the EU, as did China's. However, Greece's and Spain's economy has pretty much ground to a halt (only boomed previously due to the BS financial house of cards) since joining the EU. The EU is only a good deal if a country gains a competitive advantage from being part of it. Given Ukraine's heavy reliance on heavy industry (which will not be sold in the EU, but the EU will sell their stuff in Ukraine) and agriculture (the EU has put severe quotas on Ukrainian imports while having virtually none for importing into Ukraine), it has no competitive advantage by joining the EU or any trade agreement which imposes conditions similar to the EU.
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