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Old 07-27-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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There is no SYMPHATHY with the English for the Ukraine and certainly not Russia has they gassed the jewish Russians in the war . They would gladly wipe out all the Ukrainians without a thought, and make the county Russian . One thing RUSSIA doesn,t do is forget the past .
You might write a fairy tale. In this you wizard . Do not write nonsense! Learn the history. . Ukraine owes its existence to Russia. Ukraine is an artificial country and nation, which separated from the Russian. during the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Germans established a buffer zone on the border of the Russian Empire. This area is now called Ukraine. Language as artificially created from Polish and Russian language.
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Old 07-27-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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Maybe it's the normal action of troops for civilized society from all over the World
I don't think the Kiev juntas policy of "they're all terrorists and sub humans" are going to serve them well in the future. If the father of that child didn't have a gun in his hands he will now.
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Old 07-27-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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Ukrainian army just killed "terrorists" in Gorlovka. There are bodies of woman, her kid and another peaceful people. 18+


https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=TwK6yOObsb4

Maybe it's the normal action of troops for civilized society from all over the World.
For the U.S., this is the norm. Obama said we have an exceptional nation and we have the right to ignore international law on the matter.
We do not just talk, we prove in practice. That's their job is.Namaydanilis called.
Sorry for the people in the east.
Country sold American businessmen like Biden. Where are those who jumped and shouted Who does not jump that Moskal? In the grave or prison? As now you are going to live, winter is coming soon? Sorry for the people in the east.
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Old 07-27-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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Re: 'Do not write the nonsense. Learn the history'

Yes, it is true the current history of this crisis is all too locked up and driven by 'history'. Curious as to how another 'historian' views an event which puzzles a bit.

Ukraine's movement to the West is judged run by Nazis. A key motivator of vilifying the country from the separatist side. In WW2, the Germans as we know ripped up and destroyed the people and land of Russia. The war between them was brutal thus the hatred of anything Nazi today is understandable. Yet no peep by Putin to attack Germany in his rhetoric. Strangely he shuts up. It's always an amorphous 'West' that he describes and when he gets particular he focuses on the meddling 'US'.

If Ukraine is complicit now what about Germany? Hasn't she contributed to it with her history? Just wondering if he doesn't want to push Germany too far. The country has done well especially in uniting the country and ridding the state of the ignominious GDR. Russia certainly lost a relationship there which acted as a thorn in the West's side. Maybe this time she wants to make sure another country doesn't run away from them.

In any case, Germany is a significant lynchpin in how this crises moves and not the US or any other European country. The 'quietness' between the two is kind of scary. If history is a guide it seems as if Mr. Putin doesn't want to get the Germans riled but we must remember 'still waters run deep'.
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Old 07-27-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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Re: 'Do not write the nonsense. Learn the history'

Yes, it is true the current history of this crisis is all too locked up and driven by 'history'. Curious as to how another 'historian' views an event which puzzles a bit.

Ukraine's movement to the West is judged run by Nazis. A key motivator of vilifying the country from the separatist side. In WW2, the Germans as we know ripped up and destroyed the people and land of Russia. The war between them was brutal thus the hatred of anything Nazi today is understandable. Yet no peep by Putin to attack Germany in his rhetoric. Strangely he shuts up. It's always an amorphous 'West' that he describes and when he gets particular he focuses on the meddling 'US'.

If Ukraine is complicit now what about Germany? Hasn't she contributed to it with her history? Just wondering if he doesn't want to push Germany too far. The country has done well especially in uniting the country and ridding the state of the ignominious GDR. Russia certainly lost a relationship there which acted as a thorn in the West's side. Maybe this time she wants to make sure another country doesn't run away from them.

In any case, Germany is a significant lynchpin in how this crises moves and not the US or any other European country. The 'quietness' between the two is kind of scary. If history is a guide it seems as if Mr. Putin doesn't want to get the Germans riled but we must remember 'still waters run deep'.
Germany? Germany has no sovereignty, as well as any EU country. They are all puppets and the U.S. is occupied. So Germany step can not be done without the United States. By the way do not forget that the second problem for NATO was to keep Germany in check. As for the story it was Russia (USSR) united Germany. At a time when some European countries were against it, especially England.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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Germany? Germany has no sovereignty, as well as any EU country. They are all puppets and the U.S. is occupied. So Germany step can not be done without the United States. By the way do not forget that the second problem for NATO was to keep Germany in check. As for the story it was Russia (USSR) united Germany. At a time when some European countries were against it, especially England.
It's common knowledge that David Hasslehoff reunited Germany. Sheesh, do you even have schools in Russia?
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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You might write a fairy tale. In this you wizard . Do not write nonsense! Learn the history. . Ukraine owes its existence to Russia. Ukraine is an artificial country and nation, which separated from the Russian. during the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Germans established a buffer zone on the border of the Russian Empire. This area is now called Ukraine. Language as artificially created from Polish and Russian language.
The National Geographic reported: " A number of Ukrainians had collaborated: According to German historian Dieter Pohl, around 100,000 joined police units that provided key assistance to the Nazis. Many others staffed the local bureaucracies or lent a helping hand during mass shootings of Jews. Ukrainians, such as the infamous Ivan the Terrible of Treblinka, were also among the guards who manned the Nazi death camps."[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]14[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] y
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Old 07-27-2014, 02:43 PM
 
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Satellite images released by US 'show Russian rocket fire into Ukraine' | World news | theguardian.com

http://i.imgur.com/u6rXVy6.jpg

"Oops", I guess?
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Old 07-27-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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Of course, satellite images brought to you by the same folks who deciphered images and intel stating Iraq has WMDs.

Brought to you by the same folks who grossly over-estimated Soviet military capability and numbers to further justify enormous increases in defense spending.

Not saying I do not believe that Russia would not and did not fire against Ukraine, it is just that the source of the satellite interpretations has a rather dubious past of lying and making exaggerated claims. Many people within the US gov has been pushing since day 1 to send military supplies to Ukraine, of course not because they care about Ukraine (the US will support a democracy or dictatorship, the US does not care either way), but because their districts have powerful defense contractors who would make money off the deal.

About as much "oops" as when Ukraine fired into Russia.

By the way; where are the coordinates at on the pic? On edit, never mind, found where it took place. This incident was 22 miles from the MH17 crash site, yet there are reports stating it was impossible for Ukraine to have shot down the aircraft because they were too far away?

Last edited by k350; 07-27-2014 at 03:42 PM..
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Old 07-27-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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The Ukrainian Army launched an offensive and have split the terrorist-idiot-criminal-barbarian-fascist-separatist scum areas in two! There's now a corridor between DNR and LNR, and the MH17 crash site is in the middle.

http://liveuamap.com/?ll=48.22120485...7499984&zoom=9
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