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Old 08-10-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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Unlike Your countries, Russia is the self-sufficient State in all spheres. It is enough to remember the time when the USSR was in the conditions of so-called "Iron Curtain" and didn't need tips and handouts of the West. Yeah, wait and see.
Actually no, the USSR took on loans and food shipments from the West, especially during its later years.

It is a global economy, no one can function as an isolated island, even north korea engages the outside world.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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I'm curious about our Russian and Ukrainian posters here :
can you post anonymously from these countries ?

Can you write what you really think or is it dangerous ?
Yes, you can type all you want, just go talk around on VK or odnoklassniki and people very openly say anything just fine, and it has always been this way. The "threat" against speaking out is way exaggerated in the West.

Go live in Moscow, there are protests frequently about something the gov is doing ranging from a few people to many people. The West only makes this a big deal when the Russian gov cracks down on the protests, and this crackdown is usually due to the protesters not having a permit, something someone needs even in the US to do their protest march along Pennsylvania Ave from the White House to the Capitol building.

Do not worry though, even the Russian media spins up issues in the US, like the free speech zones and police brutality on protesters; the media can make any country look like the worse in the world with a few select stories to report on.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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What are you doing to yourself, Russia? This is some next level propaganda.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIOJ...ature=youtu.be
As another few posters mentioned in this thread, numerous countries have some form of neo-nazis marching around, that is hardly gov sponsorship of their actions.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Propaganda in the making.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qDqciq27w8
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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The difference is that the Iraqi government invited the US in to conduct airstrikes, and the Iraqi government is held as the legitimate government. Right now, even Russia does not recognize Novorossiya. Of course when the Soviets were invited in by the Afghan gov to help defend against the insurgency, the West declared it an "invasion".
Maybe I should have used the example of NATO airstrikes in the Former Yugoslavia specifically Kosovo. Kosovo was a breakaway region wanting to separate from the Former Yugoslavia similar to similar parts of Eastern Ukraine in Ukraine. The Former Yugoslavia was the legitimate government and it did not invite NATO to conduct airstrikes on its territory. The UN did not authorize airstrikes but nonetheless NATO proceeded so according to international law it was illegal. In the end what really matters is that might makes right regardless of legality.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Maybe I should have used the example of NATO airstrikes in the Former Yugoslavia specifically Kosovo. Kosovo was a breakaway region wanting to separate from the Former Yugoslavia similar to similar parts of Eastern Ukraine in Ukraine. The Former Yugoslavia was the legitimate government and it did not invite NATO to conduct airstrikes on its territory. The UN did not authorize airstrikes but nonetheless NATO proceeded so according to international law it was illegal.
WOW Kosovo! You're the first one mentioning it. Not.

This thread has almost 300 pages (to me), and Kosovo has been mentioned 53 times.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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Default forget UKRAIN

AMERICA is bombing murdering militants in IRAC , THE UKRAIN will have to fend for itself . The world now has waged war on Christians we are back to the CRUSADES
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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WOW Kosovo! You're the first one mentioning it. Not.

This thread has almost 300 pages (to me), and Kosovo has been mentioned 53 times.
Actually that was the conflict that prompted Boris Yeltsin to promote Putin as his successor. President Clinton started to treat the Russian head of state as a flunky that is told what to do and if the flunky is not quick to respond accordingly he is yelled at. Actually this happened which greatly angered Boris and prompted him to reexamine the relationship between the Russia and the US. Nobody likes to be treated with disrespect and Yeltsin realized his policies he enacted with the advise of the US were for the detriment of Russia. He decided to switch course and because of his unstable health condition wanted to have a successor in place capable of standing up for Russia and its national interests which explained Putin's rapid promotion to power by Yeltsin. This was followed with Yeltsin's subsequent decision to step down and hand over power to Putin.
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Old 08-10-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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WOW Kosovo! You're the first one mentioning it. Not.

This thread has almost 300 pages (to me), and Kosovo has been mentioned 53 times.
It was highly publicized everywhere that Kosovo would be setting a precedence, and I guess those claiming this was right.

You dismiss Kosovo because it counters your opinion regarding the Ukraine issue. Kosovo is a very inconvenient event for you because it is difficult for you to make an argument for Ukraine with this Kosovo thing hanging around your neck. All you can resort to is "we are not talking about Kosovo", as if that somehow mitigates anything.
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Old 08-10-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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Maybe I should have used the example of NATO airstrikes in the Former Yugoslavia specifically Kosovo. Kosovo was a breakaway region wanting to separate from the Former Yugoslavia similar to similar parts of Eastern Ukraine in Ukraine. The Former Yugoslavia was the legitimate government and it did not invite NATO to conduct airstrikes on its territory. The UN did not authorize airstrikes but nonetheless NATO proceeded so according to international law it was illegal. In the end what really matters is that might makes right regardless of legality.
You can use Kosovo, Grenada, Panama, Libya, Syria, etc as examples, but not the current Iraq situation.
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