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Old 11-19-2014, 06:22 AM
 
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erasure
"Your average Russians" will feel the results of this crisis pretty soon.

Health-care spending will be reduced even more and so on.

If you spend money on something, you reduce the other usage.

No, by the soft-power I mean not PR. I mean for example: to invite students from Russian-speaking regions to Moscow universities.

We have such programs, but we can do more.


By the way, in october people began to buy dollars and euros 2-3 times more than in september.

So I guess average people react - and react in a certain way.
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Old 11-19-2014, 07:06 AM
 
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Re: the 'nice propaganda flow' on the line of those defending Rossiya's position and behavior in the modern world'..

You know that has to be expected since it has to be seen as giving in and acquiescing to the rages of a petulant child who is having trouble navigating a type of 'socialization' in the modern world.
Putin undoubtedly has changed the rules in international affairs with his annexations and invasions. Even Merkel has had it with him. She's apparently coming to the conclusion that she must be the German female Wyatt Earp to Putin's Clanton clan. She recognizes now that Ukraine is the Rossiyan-Ukrainan OK Corral. It's also probably the initial laboratory in Rossiyan testing of the waters on Western reaction to more like it in Europe or Asia. Conclusion? The West has to be in the stirrups kids!


Oh and btw how's the dissemination of news going on in Rossiya??? Really is there such thing as 'news' and 'journalism' in the country??? Don't think so. It's called as noted above..P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A....the populace living like mushrooms...quiet and in the dark.
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:00 PM
 
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soft power = New Development Bank alternative to IMF and World Bank

New Development Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was through the IMF that the US and the West took down Yugoslavia in the 80s and 90s. Similar situation now taking place with Ukraine but to force sale of assets on the cheap to private investors like Soros.
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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Nice propaganda flow, comrade, almost to a letter recitation of TV screens. Russia is sick with 19th century imperialism longings and phantom pains of weirdly concocted "isms", where Russian Nazis, former/current commies, Orthodox fascists, assimilated minorities, etc., etc. are cemented by manias of grandeur and paranoia generously sprinkled with chauvinism and thinly veiled envy of big, bad USA. All imperial nations were sick with this sort of nonsense, some were cured by blood, big blood. I still hope that Russians will find internal cure for their 19th/20th century ailments. For better or worse, America and Americans moved forward, American "imperialism" moved forward while Kremlin is stuck in fantasies of the past.
Nice propaganda flow there bro!! Almost eloquent, too bad it's all opinion. I don't see Russia pushing its way west into Europe. I see NATO pushing east from Europe. NATO an organization run by over paid generals desperately trying to justify their existence and not above sacrificing millions of people to get their names in history books. I see the US destroying the lives of millions of people without any real purpose or goal let alone sane method. It's freaking Orwellian.
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Old 11-19-2014, 07:16 PM
 
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Big explosion in Donetsk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0rIMnCpxgQ

This Carpathian hillbilly needs a bullet so he'll ****.

Ukraine rejects Moscow's call for direct talks with rebels | Al Jazeera America
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Old 11-19-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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Oh and btw how's the dissemination of news going on in Rossiya??? Really is there such thing as 'news' and 'journalism' in the country??? Don't think so. It's called as noted above..P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A....the populace living like mushrooms...quiet and in the dark.
Is there anything like News and journalism in the west? I can find all kinds of material deliberately written to misinform and divert, distort, cherry pick, omit, create from nothing and plain lie about facts. Journalists in the west are well known careerists, they'll NEVER say anything that will jeopardize their careers and they'll always do what their masters want of them.

It's just as easily said western people are just as much victims of the mushroom effect (kept in the dark and fed bullchit) just as much as any other people in this world.
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Old 11-20-2014, 06:58 AM
 
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Default Fascist Poroshenko

http://videos.videopress.com/SgjwN3z...caves_fmt1.ogv
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Old 11-20-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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erasure
"Your average Russians" will feel the results of this crisis pretty soon.
Of course he will. He felt it in the nineties, the whole brunt of it, why should it be different now?

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Health-care spending will be reduced even more and so on.
And why shouldn't it be? Did you think that somehow this whole "liberal Russian capitalism" thing was meant to benefit the average Russian? That somehow the "free market economy" with all its "hedge funds" and "economy growth" was meant to bring him wealth, slowly but surely sort of like it brings the wealth and prosperity to the citizens of the Western countries? Ha-ha, dream on. Don't forget that the way the deal has been made in the nineties, Russia ( and Russians) were supposed to be a subservient entity for the West, with money made from profits flowing in one and one direction only - to the Western banks. Whatever was left when this part was fulfilled, and Russian oligarchat had its "fair share" - yes, that could have been distributed among "the Russian people." For certain amount of time, it seemed that they were getting more and more ( because of the gas price, obviously,) but not for long. The reality of things is about to settle in.


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No, by the soft-power I mean not PR. I mean for example: to invite students from Russian-speaking regions to Moscow universities.

We have such programs, but we can do more.
Too late, the train is gone. ( These programs cost money, and money is something that Putin and Co prefer to use for different purpose, not to *waste* it for some " Russian-speaking student exchange programs.")


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By the way, in october people began to buy dollars and euros 2-3 times more than in september.

So I guess average people react - and react in a certain way.
Again - it's all quite predictable.

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Old 11-20-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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Re: the 'nice propaganda flow' on the line of those defending Rossiya's position and behavior in the modern world'..

You know that has to be expected since it has to be seen as giving in and acquiescing to the rages of a petulant child who is having trouble navigating a type of 'socialization' in the modern world.
Putin undoubtedly has changed the rules in international affairs with his annexations and invasions. Even Merkel has had it with him. She's apparently coming to the conclusion that she must be the German female Wyatt Earp to Putin's Clanton clan. She recognizes now that Ukraine is the Rossiyan-Ukrainan OK Corral. It's also probably the initial laboratory in Rossiyan testing of the waters on Western reaction to more like it in Europe or Asia. Conclusion? The West has to be in the stirrups kids!


Oh and btw how's the dissemination of news going on in Rossiya??? Really is there such thing as 'news' and 'journalism' in the country??? Don't think so. It's called as noted above..P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A....the populace living like mushrooms...quiet and in the dark.
Travric, this "modern world" that you are so fond of, was meant to squeeze Russia for good and to choke her ( and her geopolitical interests) slowly but surely. I understand that you are fond of this idea, because you simply can't be impartial, seeing the world through the glasses of the "occupied Hungary," and that's what your stand is all about. I understand it, but you need to recognize and acknowledge it too, even if only for yourself.

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Old 11-20-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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Oh and btw how's the dissemination of news going on in Rossiya??? Really is there such thing as 'news' and 'journalism' in the country??? Don't think so. It's called as noted above..P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A....the populace living like mushrooms...quiet and in the dark.
You know nothing about Russia. Journalism exists in Russia. Many Russian journalists are known throughout the world, for example, Vladimir Pozner. Also in Russia permanently transfer of foreign articles. There is a free site: inosmi.ru/world. There are translations of American, British, Japanese, Ukrainian, Polish papers. Moreover, these articles there without censorship. You probably think that in Russia only P. Riot sing about politics, but it is not. You know about P. Riot because they crazy feminists. West loves crazy feminists. In Russia, many sing about politics. For example, "Our Madhouse Voted For Putin" or "Comrade Medevedev":




I think that if these songs are translated into English and sing about Obama in the US, you go to jail. But Alexander Yelin and Alexander Semenov successfully toured for several years. For example, the next concert will be on November 27 in Yekaterinburg.

Propaganda exists only on the central channels, but few people watching it.

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