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Old 03-06-2014, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Germany
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they come with airplanes and ships
I saw an article where this was examined ... mayde I can edit this and add the link
in some minutes ... edit .... here:
http://www.voanews.com/content/russi...m/1865117.html

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Wikinews interviews specialists on Russian intervention in Ukraine - Wikinews, the free news source
Jane Burbank, Professor of History and Russian and Slavic Studies, New York
Jeremy Morris, Senior Lecturer in Russian Studies , Birmingham
Craig Brandist, Professor of ...Russian and Slavonic Studies, Sheffield
Stephen Blank, Senior Fellow for Russia at the American Foreign Policy Council, Washington, D.C.
Yanni Kotsonis, Director, ... Study of Russia, New York.

[only USA and UK, sigh]

all agree that it's a clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty
all agree that Putin's removal from G8 won't harm his popularity in Russia
modest economical effects from sanctions
probably no war with USA, Russian military superiority over Ukrainian forces
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:39 AM
 
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Crimea residents asked for help from Russia in protecting themselves from the Nazis, who seized power in Kiev. but Russian troops will be administered only in a pinch. while in the Crimea created vigilante groups.
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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It's confusing to decide what is believable in the news and media. The news is saying that Russian forces are occupying Crimea while Putin says that those are actually self-defense (Crimean) forces.

I'm sure there were some witnesses that saw Russian troops cross the border? So what's the truth?
If they are not Russian soldiers, their Minister of Defence should be concerned about the fact that they are driving around with Russian army trucks, jeeps and APCs with Russian licence plates. He isn't, though.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Russia
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I think that the main forces did not cross the border. Sevastopol is base not only fleet, but also part of the Marine Corps. Most likely it is they help with the protection order.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Germany
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If they are not Russian soldiers, their Minister of Defence should be concerned about the fact that they are driving around with Russian army trucks, jeeps and APCs with Russian licence plates. He isn't, though.
and occupying Crimea which Russia signed to protect.
And using Russian weapons which Russia signed would not be used against Ukraine.
And seizing Russia's black sea fleet , which Russia so much negotiated about with Ukraine
in several agreements.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Russia
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and occupying Crimea which Russia signed to protect.
And using Russian weapons which Russia signed would not be used against Ukraine.
And seizing Russia's black sea fleet , which Russia so much negotiated about with Ukraine
in several agreements.
I think that this is not an occupation. It help in maintaining order. All other questions about the future of the Crimea will be decided in a referendum. Ukraine in debt, Russia's economy is stable. It is possible that the referendum results can be unexpected.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:26 AM
 
Location: Russia
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This western part of Ukraine are ready to take out loans, but would not be with Russia. Crimea lives by tourists from Russia and is very loyal to the Russian.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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I think that this is not an occupation. It help in maintaining order. All other questions about the future of the Crimea will be decided in a referendum. Ukraine in debt, Russia's economy is stable. It is possible that the referendum results can be unexpected.
Maintaining public order isn't even a task that's up to military, that's what the police force should do. Maintaining order is even less a task a foreign army should be involved in.

This is especially true when "maintaining order" only seems to include disarmig the local military.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:30 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Wow, Watching the evening news in the USA and reading most American media news outlets and nothing about the leaked conversation between the Estonian foreign minister and the EU foreign minister about the protesters and policeman were killed by the same snipers and the Yanukovych government was most likely not responsible for these deaths. The new Ukraine government is unwilling to investigate about these revelations. All you hear is crickets chirping over here when trying find any coverage of that important revelation.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:33 AM
 
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Media blackouts are becoming very noticeable. They are clearly controlled.
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