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Old 02-27-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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I've never heard about Stephen Cohen here in Russia, before you gave me a link...
First article about Ukraine i saw at truthdig.com was about killing health care by their goverment..
Truthdig, counterpunch, and antiwar tend to have more progressives writing for them. Rather than being country-centric, they tend to focus on human rights, labor rights, environmental issues, etc. One tends to see articles that are critical of the US on wars, invasions, regime change, and 'counterterrorism' policies because of the extensive damage they bring to the many civilians. The regime change operations in Iraq, Libya, and Syria alone have displaced or killed over 20 million. Many of the key people involved in those operations were involved in the counterinsurgency activites in Latin America in the 80's and 90's. Countries like Colombia, El Salvador, and Honduras have never recovered and suffer rampant violence to this day from US-trained paramilitaries in those countries.
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Old 02-27-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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Putin's greatest politician of our time.
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Old 02-27-2015, 12:02 PM
 
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I am sorry, Ukraine is a country where 2 languages are spoken Russians and Ukrainian. Personally I do not consider Ukrainian a language, rather a dialect off Russian.
All Russian nazis think that, language and culture assimilation are the favorite tools of empires. It is not a matter of your opinion though, the science of linguistics considers Ukrainian to be a distinct, separate language.

This typical Russian nazi claim is especially ridiculous considering that the Russian language is "synthetic" i.e. made of bits and pieces by the educated elite and only then imposed on the Russian masses by the imperial/soviet governments. Russian language is much unlike other slavic languages because of that. BTW, Peter the Great imported Kiev' scholars in the beginning of 18th century to civilize the language of Muscovy to make it suitable for learning and administration. They did that by borrowing some Ukrainian language, so every Russian nazi speaks little bit of Ukrainian without knowing it. Russian language as we know it was born in 18th century and it became the language of elites in 19th century, it took a century more to impose that language on the masses.

Here is a good article for curious minds:The long war over the Ukrainian language - Ideas - The Boston Globe

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Now Ukrainian government tried to ban Russian language and traditional holidays. Either they did or they did not.
References are needed. Please no Russia Today, Life News, RT.com.

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So who is the nazi with propaganda ?
Putin' Russia. The evidence is overwhelming, Russians combine Soviet/Stalinist and German Nazi findings, they dont really have much of original talent for propaganda.

Russian President Vladimir Putin allegedly praised Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels during a meeting with Jewish religious leaders in Moscow, Pravda reported on Wednesday.
CFCA - Putin praises Goebbels at meeting with Jewish leaders

[/quote]CNN actually spreads Ukrainian Propaganda, not Russian.[/quote] Should CNN help Russia to fight Anglo Saxon domination? Ukraine has no state propaganda to speak of, I dont think they take this war seriously, they still hope that the West, lead by the fearless Obama, somehow would win a behind scene fight for them. Official ukrainian news media strategy is almost non existent, bulk of the news is provided by the private groups and individuals.

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Old 02-27-2015, 12:12 PM
 
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Truthdig, counterpunch, and antiwar tend to have more progressives writing for them. Rather than being country-centric, they tend to focus on human rights, labor rights, environmental issues, etc. One tends to see articles that are critical of the US on wars, invasions, regime change, and 'counterterrorism' policies because of the extensive damage they bring to the many civilians. The regime change operations in Iraq, Libya, and Syria alone have displaced or killed over 20 million. Many of the key people involved in those operations were involved in the counterinsurgency activites in Latin America in the 80's and 90's. Countries like Colombia, El Salvador, and Honduras have never recovered and suffer rampant violence to this day from US-trained paramilitaries in those countries.
The left either denies or justifies Russian aggression by parroting russian propaganda with a twist. It treats local people as dummies incapable of any independent concerns or actions. It is all one big NATO conspiracy, yup, that big, bad, impotent NATO run by the rabid appeasers that conspires and plots to accomodate Russian wishes on a regular basis. Soon lefty rags will join the rest of the conspiracy loons. The left exposed all its moral, intellectual and political irrelevance in 2010-2015. You are just simple mindless projectors of the rigid ideology on ever changing world. I was a dupe myself, I used to listen rants from here UnwelcomeGuests, no more, I dont take moral relativism lightly.

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Old 02-27-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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I've read your link about Ekaterina Vologzheninova...it's interesting but...tell me plz just for example imagine an ordinary USA woman from...Austin for example...and she starts to post in her social network lots of video with point of view of Islamic State...will FBI or CIA be interested in her?
Ridiculous analogy. Ukraine is a legitimate state defending itself against foreign aggression using whatever little means it has, it doesnt cut heads off, or employ terrorism, torture, savage mop ups Russian style, concentration camps Russian style, mass executions, etc.. Russia claims it has nothing to do with a war in Ukraine, and then it locks up a blogger for posting Ukrainian info.

Btw, Russia champions the idea of the "Russian world" that defies the borders,Islamic state champions Muslim world that defies national borders. I think you guys do have something in common, especially considering that both entities extensively employ terror and fear for subjugation of the occupied territories.
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Old 02-27-2015, 12:36 PM
 
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Old 02-27-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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just music...

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Old 02-27-2015, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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All Russian nazis think that, language and culture assimilation are the favorite tools of empires. It is not a matter of your opinion though, the science of linguistics considers Ukrainian to be a distinct, separate language.

This typical Russian nazi claim is especially ridiculous considering that the Russian language is "synthetic" i.e. made of bits and pieces by the educated elite and only then imposed on the Russian masses by the imperial/soviet governments. Russian language is much unlike other slavic languages because of that. BTW, Peter the Great imported Kiev' scholars in the beginning of 18th century to civilize the language of Muscovy to make it suitable for learning and administration. They did that by borrowing some Ukrainian language, so every Russian nazi speaks little bit of Ukrainian without knowing it. Russian language as we know it was born in 18th century and it became the language of elites in 19th century, it took a century more to impose that language on the masses.

Here is a good article for curious minds:The long war over the Ukrainian language - Ideas - The Boston Globe


References are needed. Please no Russia Today, Life News, RT.com.


Putin' Russia. The evidence is overwhelming, Russians combine Soviet/Stalinist and German Nazi findings, they dont really have much of original talent for propaganda.

Russian President Vladimir Putin allegedly praised Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels during a meeting with Jewish religious leaders in Moscow, Pravda reported on Wednesday.
CFCA - Putin praises Goebbels at meeting with Jewish leaders

CNN actually spreads Ukrainian Propaganda, not Russian. Should CNN help Russia to fight Anglo Saxon domination? Ukraine has no state propaganda to speak of, I dont think they take this war seriously, they still hope that the West, lead by the fearless Obama, somehow would win a behind scene fight for them. Official ukrainian news media strategy is almost non existent, bulk of the news is provided by the private groups and individuals.
This is common knowledge that Russian speaking population of Ukraine is fighting to make Russian and Ukrainian official langauges iof Ukraine, but Kiev Junta wants to ban Russian. Last time they attempted it caused mass protests all over Ukraine.

Don't you follow Ukraine news ?

By Pravda, are you talking about Ukrainian news agency Pravda the one that is owned by proshenklo ?
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Old 02-27-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Ridiculous analogy. Ukraine is a legitimate state defending itself against foreign aggression using whatever little means it has, it doesnt cut heads off, or employ terrorism, torture, savage mop ups Russian style, concentration camps Russian style, mass executions, etc.. Russia claims it has nothing to do with a war in Ukraine, and then it locks up a blogger for posting Ukrainian info.
The Ukraine now has a self imposed Government who wants to use the west as their Army and Air force. It does not have a "Legitimate" Government. Its ruled by thugs that took control by force at gun point. Most Americans choose not to support armed aggression against a voted in Government to seize power.

Appears that "Government" forces keep going over to the Separatists, and giving up their weapons
. I guess the Russians are doing that too? Your comical.
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Old 02-27-2015, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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The Ukraine now has a self imposed Government who wants to use the west as their Army and Air force. It does not have a "Legitimate" Government. Its ruled by thugs that took control by force at gun point. Most Americans choose not to support armed aggression against a voted in Government to seize power.

Appears that "Government" forces keep going over to the Separatists, and giving up their weapons
. I guess the Russians are doing that too? Your comical.

It will be a great day fro Kiev when it falls under Moscow's control. In the last 20 years Ukrainians have demostrated their inability to govern themselves.

The best quote from an Pro-Lvov apologist "Russia is a third world country"
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