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Old 03-06-2015, 08:31 AM
 
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Investigation of crash nearly finished? Hardly.

International investigation team just started examining the wreckage .

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Dutch officials say the international investigators looking into the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine last July have met for their first joint consultation, examining cracks and impact patterns on the jet's fuselage.

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In an initial report, Dutch investigators assessed that the airliner's fuselage was pierced by "high energy objects" which could have come from the ground or the air.

Prosecutors said they were open to both possibilities but think it more likely the aircraft was shot down from the ground.
MH17: International investigators begin examination of plane wreckage at Dutch airbase | ABC Radio Australia
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Old 03-06-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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"Ukrainian nazis" - is small group including political, military leaders who ordered wage war and soldiers and volunteers who are up in arms fighting against separatists and no one else.
Ukrainian nationalists is a small group that has very little political or military weight in Ukraine, Ukrainian nationalists are not the same as the Russian nazis obsessed with destroying of Ukraine. Ukrainian nationalists defend their country against Russian nazi and military invasion. There was no "separatism", not even in Crimea, 1 day before comrade Putin decided to strike and to dismember Ukraine. Nothing about 2014 "rebellion" was Ukrainian in its origin. Russian agents, Russian nazis, Russian troops and supply were instrumental in stirring it all up, 1 year later "separatism" could not exist without Russian nazis, Russian troops on the ground and Russian arms, supplies and ammo by trainloads. The fact that a few thousands of the treasonous locals joined Russian hybrid invasion doesn't make it separatism, it makes it a treason.

The title got it wrong Some 12,000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine supporting rebels: U.S. commander | Reuters. It should have been "Some 5,000 local traitors support 12,000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine and probably 20,000 of the Russian nazi volunteers (from Russia) fighting to expand the Reich."
BBC News - Russian soldiers 'dying in large numbers' in Ukraine - Nato

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Old 03-06-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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Thanx Erasure. I hate propaganda, the title didn't fit what I heard.

And thank you Rememberme, you describe the Ukrainian government and their lackeys to a T in your definition of fascism. In truth there are elements of both on each side and even in other places such as China. The word fascism has always been hard to pin down and it's because of the way it is used liberally with a broad brush.

Like it or not though boy, when you collect your paycheck for all your dribble remember this. When it comes to Russia your purpose in life will be around for a long time to come. When it comes to Ukraine you might have to make some adjustments in the near future.

On the subject of Novorussia. The UAF or Einsatzgruppen destroyed the rail center in Debatseve. Apparently as of yesterday it was fully operational again after just 3 days of effort.

I think the NAF is going for Mariupol next, they've got no good reason to not go after Azov. Rumors of mass arrests in the city, unverified. Lots of equipment moving.

LiveLeak.com - DPR militia and Cossack convoy moving South (towards Mariupol)

"Sovoda" volunteer battalion commander injured in car bomb attack in Kharkov. His wife was with him. Sad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMSfOGPXTWM
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Old 03-06-2015, 09:06 AM
 
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The main reason is I have a life and a real job, unlike some I know. Anyway in the article I mentioned nothing like that was reportedly said.
The main reason is you have marginal critical thinking abilities and RRR, you fill the void with fantasies, mindless projections, bias and outright lies. That is some lucky guy to hire you.
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Old 03-06-2015, 09:09 AM
 
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Thanx Erasure. I hate propaganda, the title didn't fit what I heard.

And thank you Rememberme, you describe the Ukrainian government and their lackeys to a T in your definition of fascism.
Nope, it doesn't describe neither Ukrainian government nor Ukrainian people in the least. That's reason #1 behind Ukrainian and Russian clash of worldviews.
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Old 03-06-2015, 09:12 AM
 
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why does not Putin just nuke kiev ?
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Old 03-06-2015, 09:24 AM
 
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Yes, a year ago, "Fuhrer" proof that he was ready to take decisive action, in spite of the potential problems for him. "Russian nazis" very much appreciate it. Crimea is ours, and it is very true.
You are a typical ur-fascist in Umberto Econ' opinion. PublicEye.org - The Website of Political Research Associates

3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action's sake.

Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes.




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Yes, "Russian nazis" are not jumping. They do not have this gene. They fly.
Russians are the best, the best of everything, the best in everything, we all have heard that, all what's left for you to show some non cartoon evidence. So far Russian Reich succeeded in moral turpitude (English doesn't have good synonyms for подлость). Russian Reich attacked a weak country going through a turmoil to get a piece of a real estate it doesn't know what to do with, so it keeps on stepping on the same Imperial rakes expecting something different this time (see definitions of insanity). So, it's Russian turpitude+lack of vision+insanity all paid for with blood and oil. It must be genetic, you might be onto something.
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Old 03-06-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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nor Ukrainian people in the least.
You finally got one thing right. The Ukrainian people are simply trying to survive this debacle.
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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OSCE reps shelled at Donetsk airport during inspection.

TASS: World - OSCE confirms shelling of mission observers at Donetsk airport from Ukrainian side
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Old 03-06-2015, 06:36 PM
 
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Hopefully, Putin, Obama and european side kicks didnt push the world into another age of the global mayhem. Putin has exposed western impotency, lack of vision and, most importantly, lack of will. The west was an anchor of the global security, it is a new age of global insecurity, not even an appearance of security remains.



Jane's defense weekly is an authority on the defense issues. It is everything that Russian propaganda, deep conspiracy and lefty loon sources are not. It has published an analysis of the Russian hybrid war in Ukraine.

UPDATE: Russia's hybrid war in Ukraine 'is working' - IHS Jane's 360

There are currently 14,400 Russian troops on Ukrainian territory backing up the 29,300 illegally armed formations of separatists in eastern Ukraine. These units are well equipped with the latest main battle tanks, armoured personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, plus hundreds of pieces of tube and rocket artillery. There are also 29,400 Russian troops in Crimea and 55,800 massed along the border with eastern Ukraine.

- Russian units have made heavy use of electronic warfare (EW) and what appear to be high-power microwave (HPM) systems to jam not only the communications and reconnaissance assets of the Ukrainian armed forces but to also disable the surveillance unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) operated by ceasefire monitoring teams from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE)
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