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Old 03-11-2015, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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I have news for you - Americans have professors in Russian history too, and this book has been published like in the fifties))))

It once again confirms that Russian influence does illiterate those who adjoins to Russian.
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Whom should I trust on a subject I wonder, - you or Ph.D?

Trust and further to Russian TV.
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Old 03-11-2015, 05:30 AM
 
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Yes, armed militants against the police, which did not open fire.
You lie about the things that happened just recently. We all could see hundreds thousands strong crowds of the unarmed people braving cold and the elements and everything police had to offer. Police was not the only tool of Yanukovich. Armed thugs were picking on the stranded demonstrators, hundreds disappeared without a trace. Protests were largerly peaceful all way into January when Yanukovich regime decided to crack down in earnest. You keep on lying without providing any estimates for the weapons employed by maidan demonstrators. Does it compare with thousands pieces of armor, artillery, etc. delivered by your fascist motherland to Donbass together with troopers?

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NATO was created as a military alliance against Russia. Gorbachev received a verbal promise that NATO would not expand. These promises have been broken.
NATO was created for many reasons, avoiding a large scale European war being a goal #1. You make silly claims about verbal agreements as though you have been there. Russian nazis, Russians in general are proven pathological liars, and we are invited to believe you about something verbal that allegedly happened 26 years ago? Russian regime violated all those agreements it signed, and yet it will not lie about something verbal it claims happened 26 years ago. Sure, comrade, keep writing. You would not trust a word of your fellow Russian nazi if anything sizable is at stake, you would insist on an agreement in writing, and yet naive Gorby trusted the evil NATO on its verbal promise not documented anywhere. Do you believe in Santa too? Every Russian nazi should, you believe some weird crap, so belief in Santa would be a step up in your evolution.

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Your accusations of barbarism begins to pall. I'm starting to believe that you are emotionally unhealthy man.
Russian nazis are famous about being ignorant about their history, they learn everything from TV. Take any book on the rise of Muscovy, all the treachery, feuds and senseless deaths will make your head spin, things didnt get much better since then. Sure, Russians like it rough, that is why they deify every blood soaked maniac who ruled them. The larger absolute death toll, the bigger the love with Stalin being #1 object of the Russian affection followed by Peter the Great and Ivan Grozny.

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Russia did not violate the sovereignty of Ukraine. Crimea came from Ukraine through a referendum. The remaining the charges are far-fetched or not provable (as Minsk-1 and Minsk-2).
Water is not wet, right comrade? Comrade Putin is clear about it in the new movie. Russia has made a decision to annex Crimea way before the Russian invasion and sham referendum that followed. Do Russian laws allow foreign troop and paramilitary enhanced "referendums" like that? Actually, Putin outdid Hitler with Crimean annexation, Adolf was nowhere close to the Russian cynicism and lies when he annexed Sudetentland. Sudetenland did have a local German rebellion, 1000 or so German troopers died fighting Czechs. There was no separatist movement or a rebellion in Crimea or Donbass, 1 day before the Russian Fuhrer decided to strike a hybrid blow.
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Of course not! You use this word inappropriately.
Treachery and lies are the Russian favorites. Only psychopaths (people without conscience) can habitually use treachery and lies.

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I'm starting to believe that you are emotionally unhealthy man.
I know too much about Russia and Russian history, I will not allow you to spin a comfortable cocoon of the lies you are accustomed to. You never have ventured outside of that comfy nazi cocoon, and that affected your perceptions. It is amazing achievement for somebody who knows English to cross reference his comfy delusions.

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Old 03-11-2015, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Russia
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If to discount that Americans are interested in history of the East Europe very little, which for them is taught by natives from Russia , supposing except for semantic still and grammatic mistakes... If it is short - the Contract has not been signed by Russian tsar so cannot have any legal value.
Budapest Memorandum also not been ratified. ))
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Old 03-11-2015, 06:16 AM
 
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Speaking of the Russian treachery.
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Peasants fearing the approach of serfdom
Russian tsars enslaved Ukrainian peasants and many cossacks into serfdom. Russian Empire wiped out both cossacks and even a hint on autonomy, Ukrainian language was supressed, Ukrainian elites Russified, existence of Ukraine and Ukrainian identity was denied. Russian tsars reneged on their promises early.
1667. The Andrusivsky Peace Agreement is signed between the Russian Empire and the Rzeczpospolita, effectively dividing Ukraine in half. Signed without any Ukrainian representatives present

350 years of subjugation followed that 1667 treachery. Ukraine paid terrible price for some cossack leaders seeking a political alliance with Russian tsars. Tens of millions of the dead, assimilated, arrested national development, debilitating Russian influence on the ukrainian identity. Ukraine was a major source of the cannon fodder for the Russian empire famous for its disregard for soldiers lives. There wouldn't be a Russian empire for the Russian nazis to privatize without Ukrainians. Russians are physiologically incapable of treating others as equals, any kind of agreement with Russia can and will be used by Russia to dominate others, there is some Freudian stuff involved here.
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Old 03-11-2015, 06:29 AM
 
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Budapest Memorandum also not been ratified. ))
The Budapest Memorandum was negotiated as a political agreement. It didnt require ratification, a gentlemen agreement of a sort. I dont think anyone will waste time on another agreement like that one, especially if Russia is involved.
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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In 22 century in Ukrane will form a military order dedicated to holding the Wall, the immense fortification on the eastern border of the Europe, defending the realms of men from what lies beyond the Wall. Serving on the Wall will be a honor and a sign of selfless devotion to duty. The men of the Wall will wear only black.


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Old 03-11-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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"I think that Putin has no plans to dismember the Ukraine, he will seek to control it. He will not allow the entry of Ukraine into NATO"

At this point it would be interesting where the 'Russo-Ukrainian War' would be if perhaps Ukraine was already in NATO. It would have definitely made Vladimir think long and hard on his now flagrant moves into Ukraine upsetting The standing if European borders. Unfortunately for Ukraine she undeniably has a weakness regarding protection from what looks like a dire enemy on her eastern flank.

Thing is Putin struck first. Any move by Ukraine now towards NATO will be perceived by Vladimir as a hostile threat and in keeping with this marvelous Russian strategy it will further put him in the 'right' to use force against the threat. It also puts stress on Europe in how far to go in dealing with the blackmail. Hopefully Europe will wise up and not be taken by the Russian strategy.

Ukraine needs to be protected for the simple reason that if events get out of control there and the country cannot control its borders it leads Russia much closer to the periphery of European states. If things come to that well...
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Old 03-11-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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INF treaty in question.

TASS Russia News Agency
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Old 03-11-2015, 09:57 AM
 
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They make picc poor slaves, unlike Americans who're trained from birth to be dutiful to the state and above all........... obedient.
Sure, serfdom was abandoned in 1861 and then comrade Stalin enslaved them as no tsar could. Free spirits indeed. As they say in Russia, tourism and immigration are very different things.

Even now, Russians are slaves of the semi feudal corruption pyramid that Putin built. It is true that corrupt systems allow "freedoms" to tweak and bypass the laws, to buy courts and justice, to buy outside the law enforcement and punitive services etc.. for the ones with money and power (i.e. people running and benefitting from the Russian pyramid of corruption). But for the people at the bottom, it is slavery and never ending peonage, they have little recourse, and Russians just love it the way it is as long as the Fuhrer attacks something defenseless once in a while.
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Old 03-11-2015, 10:40 AM
 
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Even now, Russians are slaves of the semi feudal corruption pyramid that Putin built. It is true that corrupt systems allow "freedoms" to tweak and bypass the laws, to buy courts and justice, to buy outside the law enforcement and punitive services etc.. for the ones with money and power (i.e. people running and benefitting from the Russian pyramid of corruption). But for the people at the bottom, it is slavery and never ending peonage, they have little recourse, and Russians just love it the way it is as long as the Fuhrer attacks something defenseless once in a while.
Just like in the west. Justice can be bought anywhere, corruption is everywhere and all pervasive. I ask you again Rem if the justice in the west is so grand, worthy and impeccably flawless just what is being done to net the people who have stolen from Ukraine for that last 2 decades? What is being done Rem.

I know, you'll just run away now. You don't have an answer but I do and it's safe to say that nothing will be done about it as we both know.
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