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Old 03-22-2015, 02:37 PM
 
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CNN and American media has been painting a picture about Russia that is untrue. That is something which is called propaganda.

I don't want the news personally, I get upset over the BS they spewing at me. I read a select range of online newspapers. I don't see RT.com engage in more propaganda then CNN.com. I mean CNN is laying it on heavy.
CNN/FOX/NBC have no incentive to demonize Russia, they are not owned by the US government, they often lash out against the US Goverment if they try to lie to them (they lashed out after the Iraq debacle) RT is owned and operated by the Russian Goverment. One may have a bias in America but RT is 100% propaganda.
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Old 03-22-2015, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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CNN/FOX/NBC have no incentive to demonize Russia, they are not owned by the US government, they often lash out against the US Goverment if they try to lie to them (they lashed out after the Iraq debacle) RT is owned and operated by the Russian Goverment. One may have a bias in America but RT is 100% propaganda.

http://rt.com/usa/

Can you point me to a current article about USA that is untrue?


Is this what you mean BY Propaganda ?
http://rt.com/news/242953-us-military-parade-europe/

Is this article Russian propaganda ?
http://rt.com/news/243001-snowden-switzerland-us-spies/


I am just picking articles at random.

Here is an interesting BBC Article:
BBC News - Ukraine ex-President Yanukovych's son 'drowns in lake'
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Old 03-22-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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No, the difference is the US installed government (how convenient) has invited the US in. However, the air attacks in Syria along with the training of anti-Assad forces could be construed as an invasion, just as the training and support for Donbass rebels by Russia could be construed as an invasion.

If you notice, the US will not state Russia is invading Ukraine, why? Because that would open the barn door on activities the US does.

Additionally, for all the talk about hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops, there has been no evidence presented of this, other than the absurd presentation Petro made holding some passports. People seem to forget that even the Ukraine SBU late last year announced there were no Russian troops, until they "clarified" there comments. Given the condition of Ukraine's armed forces, if there had been thousands of troops and hundreds of tanks and other heavy weapons, the armed part of this conflict would have been over long ago. Ukraine is giving themselves way too much credit thinking they are holding off an invasion by Russia, the same Russia that cleaned Georgia's US trained plate in a few days.

Also, this whole aid convoy thing; if Russia truly controlled the border and can pass thousands of troops and hundreds of tanks through without so much a picture, then why all the BS issues with getting aid convoys through? Why the BS over if the convoys have aid or weapons, when Russia can just send the stuff through without any check or notice as they did with their troops and weapons?

The entire line Ukraine spouts off makes no sense; on one hand Russia is disguising weapons as humanitarian aid, on the other hand Russia controls the border and send troops and heavy weapons. No real evidence of either one. One picture of a tank here and there, and a few Russian soldiers is hardly evidence of thousands of troops and hundreds of tanks and heavy weapons; it is not like that stuff is not noticeable.
The US is not calling it an invasion, because it is not an invasion. That said, there are several thousands of Russian soldiers in Donbass. It's pretty ignorant to believe that the militias of Donbass is defeating and pushing back the entire Ukrainian army without any outside support.

There are also thousands of satellite images that are publicly available to everyone*1. How do you explain the interviews with former Russian soldiers who have had their limbs blown off in Donbass? Not to mention the anonymous graves belonging to Russian soldiers suddenly appearing all over Russia? *2

How do you explain the Russian paratroopers that was caught inside Ukraine? Do you sincerely believe that they just happened to cross the border accidentally, which is the official Russian statement? *3

You do realize that by providing the Ukrainian army with lethal weaponry, it is not realistic that this will turn the conflict in favor of the Ukrainian army. It will however escalate the conflict considerably meaning more body bags of young Russian soldiers, thereby exposing Putin yet again as the lying snake that he is.

*1https://www.google.dk/search?q=russi...ellite&spell=1

*2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C66mAkS1ZfM

*3 Russia admits its soldiers have been caught in Ukraine | World news | The Guardian

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Old 03-22-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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The US is not calling it an invasion, because it is not an invasion. That said, there are several thousands of Russian soldiers in Donbass. It's pretty ignorant to believe that the militias of Donbass is defeating and pushing back the entire Ukranian army without any outside support.

There are also thousands of satellite images that are publicly available to everyone*1. And how do you explain the interviews with former Russian soldiers who've had their limbs blown off in Donbass? Not to mention the anonymous graves belonging to Russian soldiers suddenly appearing all over Russia? *2

How do you explain the Russian paratroopers that was caught inside Ukraine? Do you sincerely believe that they just happened to cross the border accidentally, which is the official Russian statement? *3

You do realize that by providing the Ukranian army with lethal weaponry, it is not the realistic that this will turn the war in favor of the Ukranian army. It will however escalate the conflict considerably meaning more body bags of young Russian soldiers thereby exposing Putin yet again as the lying snake that he is.

*1https://www.google.dk/search?q=russi...ellite&spell=1

*2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C66mAkS1ZfM

*3 Russia admits its soldiers have been caught in Ukraine | World news | The Guardian
The issue is that Ukrinian army is not equipped to fight a war, and Donbas rebels have modern weapons.

It does not matter how many Ukrainian troops they have, the pro-Russian side, shells Ukrian's troops with fire from tanks. Then foot soldiers raise a hail of bullets, then foot soldiers retreat and tanks shell the area, and then foot soldiers come in to clean up, to much resistance and soldiers retreat and tanks shoot.

In Modern warfare one either needs planes or better artillery to to counter this. Ukraine's army is buying junk weapons from other countries, so they still have nothing to fight with.
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Old 03-22-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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The US is not calling it an invasion, because it is not an invasion.
Bullchit.

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That said, there are several thousands of Russian soldiers in Donbass. It's pretty ignorant to believe that the militias of Donbass is defeating and pushing back the entire Ukranian army without any outside support.
It's pretty ignorant to say they couldn't. 300 Spartans held back the entire Persian army a long time ago until they were stabbed in the back. There was an American Indian chief who with some 150 warriors held back some 3000 mercenaries and US government soldiers in the lava fields somewhere in Oregon for months. They had a reason, their people were being slaughtered by upstanding American citizens with the grace of god and manifest destiny, and for government dollars.

If you give men a reason, a good one, they can do AMAZING things. The NAF are well equipped and well supported, smart and fighting for their freedom from their point of view. The UAF is the exact opposite.

And yes there are Russians fighting there, volunteers. It's every good mans duty to fight child killing scum.



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There are also thousands of satellite images that are publicly available to everyone*1.
And they're all of dubious content or irrelevant or unverifiable.

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And how do you explain the interviews with former Russian soldiers who've had their limbs blown off in Donbass? Not to mention the anonymous graves belonging to Russian soldiers suddenly appearing all over Russia? *2
Propaganda. The first casualty of war is the truth. You should know that.

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How do you explain the Russian paratroopers that was caught inside Ukraine? Do you sincerely believe that they just happened to cross the border accidentally, which is the official Russian statement? *3
They got lost.
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Old 03-22-2015, 05:45 PM
 
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In Modern warfare one either needs planes or better artillery to to counter this. Ukraine's army is buying junk weapons from other countries, so they still have nothing to fight with.
I heard Shakeasswilly gets a 3% cut for setting up the deals.

Whodathunkit.
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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I guess Kolomoysky is getting uppity. He's barricading Ukrneft offices and has mercenaries there. Might makes right. The true spirit of western dumocracy.

My oh my.

LiveLeak.com - Kolomoysky's private militia coup of Ukraine property
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:17 PM
 
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Russian army firing rockets at Ukrainian civilians. A truly proud moment for the motherland:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zynAW-EmHvM
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:49 PM
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Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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Be all you can be, but just don't bother me with it.
What a disingenuous statement. You in fact support laws and policies that would force gays to hide. This is evident from the glowing and approving statements you make about your Ruski fuhrer extraordinaire, Vlad.
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Old 03-22-2015, 06:52 PM
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USA ? RT

Can you point me to a current article about USA that is untrue?


Is this what you mean BY Propaganda ?
http://rt.com/news/242953-us-military-parade-europe/

Is this article Russian propaganda ?
http://rt.com/news/243001-snowden-switzerland-us-spies/


I am just picking articles at random.

Here is an interesting BBC Article:
BBC News - Ukraine ex-President Yanukovych's son 'drowns in lake'
I like how RT gets American communist shills to broadcast criticisms of America: Ferguson, the evils of the 1% etc. Then RT highlights the opposition of some to gay marriage and then lectures Americans to be tolerant. And this is coming from Russia!
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