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Old 06-16-2015, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Russia
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And this justifies an invasion how?

Your premise is that racist countries deserve to be invaded and subjugated? Then every country on earth needs to be invaded and subjugated, with Russia near the top of the list.
Invasion? This is not an invasion. Crimea returned home as a result of a referendum of its inhabitants. In the South-East of Ukraine goes Civil War and Ukrainian leadership is not trying to talk with the rebels. Your hysteria about invasion, an attack on the Baltic countries or Poland are simply ridiculous.
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Old 06-16-2015, 01:33 PM
 
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On the side of the insurgents, there are groups of people who regret that the forces of the DPR and the LPR were not able to press their advantage in September 2014. At that point, Kiev’s army was completely routed. It would have been possible to retake Mariupol, even to push towards Kherson. If the DPR and LPR forces’ offensive halted where it did, this was due to Russian intervention. The Russian government made it clear to the insurgents that they had to stop. Here is found one of the paradoxes of the Ukrainian crisis: the countries of the European Union, and the United States, should have taken into account this attitude of Russia’s. This was not done at all, which contributed in no small part to convincing leaders in Moscow of the bad faith of their interlocutors. If relations today are truly difficult between these countries and Russia, this is equally the result of their attitude towards Russia at a time when the latter did everything to calm the military situation.

Moscow’s relations with the DPR and the LPR are complex. Those who want to ignore an autonomy of decision-making in Donetsk (more so than in Lugansk) are making a serious mistake. Naturally, the leaders of the DPR and the LPR seek to be on good terms with Moscow, but their objectives do not necessarily coincide.
Ukraine: what remains of Minsk? | RussEurope
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Old 06-16-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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Invasion? This is not an invasion. Crimea returned home as a result of a referendum of its inhabitants.
Special and sudden referendums are a good thing- so long as one likes the results. Maybe there could be special referendums in:

- Kalingrad (possible unification with Germany, German citizenship)
- Karelia (possible unification with Finland, and Finnish citizenship)
- Tatarastan: (possible independence)
- Chechneya, Ingustia and Dagestan (independence)
- Siberia (independence)

But.... I dont think Putin would like the results of those referendums, so they are not going to be held. My understanding is that he jails people for even suggesting it.

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In the South-East of Ukraine goes Civil War and Ukrainian leadership is not trying to talk with the rebels.
Most of the rebels are bussed in from Russia and are forbidden to talk.
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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Invasion? This is not an invasion. Crimea returned home as a result of a referendum of its inhabitants. In the South-East of Ukraine goes Civil War and Ukrainian leadership is not trying to talk with the rebels. Your hysteria about invasion, an attack on the Baltic countries or Poland are simply ridiculous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zssIFN2mso
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Russia
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And? Russian troops and pro-Russian troops are two different things. Of course, many Russian volunteers fighting there (including non-ethnic Russian). Volunteers with military experience in Afghanistan and Chechnya. Of course military intelligence service is active there. Perhaps special forces participated in several operations (without any badges of rank). But this is not the regular Russian troops. Regular Russian forces will not act without support of artillery and aviation.

But reason for war is not in Russian military. Reason is lack of dialogue between Ukrainian leaders and rebels. Why no negotiations? Why is not promised constitutional reform?
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:43 PM
 
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My understanding is that he jails people for even suggesting it.
Have you proof of this? Or you heard about it from news CNN?
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Old 06-17-2015, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv
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In this film shows Canadian military uniforms, which provides for the Ukrainian soldiers and get a second life in Ukraine. If the soldiers broke it, they will pay for it 5000 UAH or 230 US dollars. Uniforms got in a dirty condition, the soldier said that maybe it was something like oil.
Soldiers prefer to wear briefs on the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoTrfvO59rk

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Old 06-17-2015, 06:45 AM
 
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Re: 'Perhaps Putin did not will react to it. Or he may place additional missile forces. Russia has no plans to attack Europe. Society does not want it. Problems begin if NATO starts to penetrate into Ukraine'

You know it was noted that Putin (Russia) would act 'accordingly'. Then he mentions adding to his ICBM closet bringing in the nuke card in the poker game upping the ante once again. Bevare Europe, bevare!

Does Europe and the U.S. want war with Russia? Putin does apparently seem to think so. But really the 'weaponry' going into the various countries isn't much. More symbolic rather than a great threat.

Once again we hear 'soothing' words emanating from one who perhaps may be pulling a lyric from that ole New Jersey guy Frankie Sinatra as he lolls around the Kremlin serenading the walls with a tough coda of hey... .'I did it my way'...;-)....
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Old 06-17-2015, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
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And? Russian troops and pro-Russian troops are two different things. Of course, many Russian volunteers fighting there (including non-ethnic Russian). Volunteers with military experience in Afghanistan and Chechnya. Of course military intelligence service is active there. Perhaps special forces participated in several operations (without any badges of rank). But this is not the regular Russian troops. Regular Russian forces will not act without support of artillery and aviation.

But reason for war is not in Russian military. Reason is lack of dialogue between Ukrainian leaders and rebels. Why no negotiations? Why is not promised constitutional reform?
You really thinks that all same idiots, like 86% of Putin voter's in Russia? Include you?
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:16 AM
 
Location: England
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Putin's threat to increase Russia's nuclear arsenal was reported in the London Times in a tiny article on page 31. Nobody gives a damn about Putin's threats.
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