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Old 03-09-2014, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Finland
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I don't see any US Marines running around Crimea trying to ensure that the Crimean people will "vote for the right thing".
Insert [well the Maidan fascists with knives and AK-47's ensure that the Rada votes correctly] here.

In 3... 2... 1...

But no use to argue against that, as many Crimeans and posters here genuinely think that a mob of Pravyi Sektor activists have seized power in Kiev and threaten the lives of Crimean Russians. A Finnish journalist there labeled the mood as "hysterical". Try to convince these people otherwise.
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Old 03-09-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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The current one is in effect since 1999.
And what does it say?
(Sorry, I'm asking all these details out of curiosity, because all these legal matters don't mean much to me, honestly.)
As I've already said - back in the 1991, 87% of Ukrainians voted for staying with Russia, but no one cared.
So all these "votes" today wouldn't mean much as well.
Let's be consistent here.
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Old 03-09-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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Insert [well the Maidan fascists with knives and AK-47's ensure that the Rada votes correctly] here.

In 3... 2... 1...

But no use to argue against that, as many Crimeans and posters here genuinely think that a mob of Pravyi Sektor activists have seized power in Kiev and threaten the lives of Crimean Russians. A Finnish journalist there labeled the mood as "hysterical". Try to convince these people otherwise.
Ariete - "I only look stupid" as they say.
Of course I don't think that the lives of the Crimean Russians were threatened ( at least not immediately, not at this point in time,) but as a Russian speaker I wouldn't want to live under the current Ukrainian government either.
These people have their own agenda.

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Old 03-09-2014, 12:37 PM
 
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I don't see any US Marines running around Crimea trying to ensure that the Crimean people will "vote for the right thing".
They'd be there in no time, if not for the presence of Russian troops in the area.
After all - that port in Sevastopol is quite a prize for NATO.
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Old 03-09-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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Hello I apologize for my English, I use Google translator. I'm from Ukraine. I am very interested to know the opinion of American citizens over military aggression Putin. On our web portals distributed information that the U.S. media justify actions of the Russian president. Is that true?
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Old 03-09-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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Hello I apologize for my English, I use Google translator. I'm from Ukraine. I am very interested to know the opinion of American citizens over military aggression Putin. On our web portals distributed information that the U.S. media justify actions of the Russian president. Is that true?
Nooooo)))))
It's very anti-Putin)))

P.S. I justify his actions, but I am not American media.
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Old 03-09-2014, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Hello everybody!
Now all in Ukraine talk about Crimea, you know certainly. I already 2 weeks watch after events from Kiev, read many soldiery and economic reasons... For us in Kiev now look like that Crimea will be got by Russia. It knows both Europe and America. For us many men prepare to war, but war probably will not be. Our government does not fight for Crimea, a result means all knew before. We enter into the European union in 2 weeks.

It is talked that this was the condition of grant of kreditov- to give the regions of Ukraine, which are paid from the Ukrainian budget.It is Crimea and East of Ukraine.Europe wants to get Ukraine without them, because it is a large problem. Russia conducts informative war in these cities, and 50 percents of habitants want to Russia. Russia means takes away Crimea and there can be East, Evropa- west and center of Ukraine. Read, that many companies already had sold the actions Americans and Europeans.

And then on all prognoses will destroy the USA Russia in the flow of 1-2 years. Russia is very weak now, it will be divided by Caucasus, China and other neighbours.

Such here prognoses...
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Old 03-09-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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It is talked that this was the condition of grant of kreditov- to give the regions of Ukraine, which are paid from the Ukrainian budget.It is Crimea and East of Ukraine.Europe wants to get Ukraine without them, because it is a large problem. Russia conducts informative war in these cities, and 50 percents of habitants want to Russia. Russia means takes away Crimea and there can be East, Evropa- west and center of Ukraine. Read, that many companies already had sold the actions Americans and Europeans.
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1. What was the condition for the loans (кредиты)?

2. Does E.U wants "to get Ukraine" without Crimea and East Ukraine or not?

3. Where did you read that "many companies were already sold on auctions to American and European companies."?
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Old 03-09-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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Dear Americans, and your media mention that when Ukraine got rid of nuclear weapons, the United States, Britain and Russia signed an agreement stating that they will be the guarantors of the inviolability of borders and independence of Ukraine? And now Russia tries to take Ukrainian territory, but the U.S. and the UK is very slow and react poorly. What you are saying about it
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Old 03-09-2014, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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1. What was the condition for the loans (кредиты)?

2. Does E.U wants "to get Ukraine" without Crimea and East Ukraine or not?

3. Where did you read that "many companies were already sold on auctions to American and European companies."?
1. Terms of the International monetary fund...Not to include a south and east of Ukraine... Otherwise all credits will go on payment of social needs, but not in an economy. For example Crimea is financed on 60 percents from a budget, you know probably. It does not give a country to develop.


2.Yes. Wants a west and center only.Other cities are not needed. It is my translator, excuse.

3.In the internet and friends talked. There was information, that divided industry.... Gave 50+ percents of actions of coal business concern of Finland, 50+ percents of actions of gas company to America, 50+ percents of actions of other industry of France.... There is such information. It can and not confirmed, but so a picture becomes clear...
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