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No, that's the entire world's understanding. Only Putin's Russia thinks differently.
The western world is not the entire world. China, India, Latin America etc. have another understanding.
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Originally Posted by NOLA101
That's why not one country on earth recognizes Crimea as part of Russia.
No. The reason is that these countries are totally dependent from the USA. They fear to get any sanctions and say something against the White House foreign policy. In fact, all these countries are vassals of the USA. They will say "yes" when the USA would rape them. And all the mess in the EU with the economics and the migration policy is just a good proof of it. The EU assented to the USA commands too much. Now we can see this grievous outcome for EU. Muslims will change Europe totally and you will feel yourself like an alien in your own country, thanks to your political elites who sang along with the USA for the american interest.
Maybe so, but that's the world in 2016, whether Putin likes it or not.
The fact is that no one recognizes Crimea as Russia. Nothing Russia does will change this fact. They need to leave Ukraine, or the sanctions and global isolation will continue, and Russia's pathetic economy will continue to unravel. Energy prices are going down every day, and Russians get poorer every day, and it's almost entirely Putin's fault.
Russia will not leave Crimea. Crimeans want to live in Russia. If Russia will throw this people, then Russia will be destroyed at the level of ideas and mentality. It is not only the policy of Putin. Putin uses standards of thinking that are inherent to all Russians. And standard of living does not matter. Russians consider Crimea as part of Russia. Only a large-scale military defeat could force Russia to leave Crimea.
Russia will not leave Crimea. Crimeans want to live in Russia. If Russia will throw this people, then Russia will be destroyed at the level of ideas and mentality. It is not only the policy of Putin. Putin uses standards of thinking that are inherent to all Russians. And standard of living does not matter. Russians consider Crimea as part of Russia.
Agree. Despite I'm living in the USA, I have a lot of friends and relatives in Russia. And all of them say the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Maksim_Frolov
Only a large-scale military defeat could force Russia to leave Crimea.
It never will happen. Firstly, the russians will anyway fight to the last man until the victory.
Secondly, nobody in the world can do that without disappearing of themselves.
It never will happen. Firstly, the russians will anyway fight to the last man until the victory.
Secondly, nobody in the world can do that without disappearing of themselves.
Russia is welcome to destroy itself, it that is its preference. The world will probably benefit if Russia wants to become as poor and backward as Moldova. At least it will no longer threaten its neighbors or kill its sons in foreign adventures.
It's economy has suffered, but the suffering has probably just begun, given its dependence on oil. There is a long way to go if Russia truly wishes to self-destruct.
Russia is welcome to destroy itself, it that is its preference. The world will probably benefit if Russia wants to become as poor and backward as Moldova.
You even don't realize what the stupidity you just said.
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Originally Posted by NOLA101
At least it will no longer threaten its neighbors or kill its sons in foreign adventures.
Russia threatened its neighbors? Yes, I know this kind of propaganda.
Go take your pills and relax.
Don't hasten to lay us to rest,
We still have things to do here,
We have kids at home, one smaller than the other
And we just would like to live our life.
We have kids at home, one smaller than the other
And we just would like to live our life.
Don't hasten to shoot us in our back
You'll always have (enough) time to do so.
But better let us finish up our dance,
But better let us finish up our song.
But better let us finish up our dance,
But better let us finish up our song.
Don't hasten to close our eyes –
We all love the darkness anyway,
And a cane is lashing our cheeks
Impassioned by their nakedness
And a cane is lashing our cheeks
Impassioned by their nakedness.
WtF? What sort of schizoid interpretation of events? For what "backs"? All agreements were signed by the current legitimate authorities, Ukrainian and Russian.
It's not that my "interpretation of events" is "schizoid," - it's you understanding of things is sorta limited and primitive somewhat. But since we already knew it, here is one more time for you;
The government might have been legitimate all right, ( i.e. legitimately elected) but there were no institutions set in place to control this government. There was no understanding among the general population of economic implications of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, nor the whole specter of the political ones. That new government was not about to educate the population on these matters either - they just did what they thought was "convenient" for them. For them, and their newly-founded "partners."
The opinion ( and the well-being) of the population of the S.U. was totally disregarded in the process, but the future US interests were quite observed. And that's how the Russian Crimea ended up in Ukraine.
P.S. Interestingly enough, in one and only all-union referendum, the majority of Ukrainians were voting for keeping the USSR by the way ( except for the Western-most provinces of course, that historically didn't belong to Ukraine, and are currently stirring all the sh*t, forcing their foreign identity on the rest of Ukraine.)
Ukrainians changed their mind only after an attempted coup in Kremlin against Gorbachev in 1990 by the hard-liners, who were concerned for country's security in light of Gorbachev's actions. To say that they didn't have any ground for it would be, alas, incorrect.
Long story short: I think it's over for Ukraine for now. They're the "New Serbia". From now on expect a blatant Mafia development, even stronger than the previous involvement of the Russian mafia in the region and/or the nerdy computer hacker guys from Ukraine. I'm talking about larger scale like heroine, kidnappings, assassinations. Last time I checked their GDP was comparable to Uganda! Far worse than anything in Europe. Interesting what sort of miracle they need from now on...
No, that's the entire world's understanding. Only Putin's Russia thinks differently.
Since when are you speaking for "entire world?"
I saw enough of cheering for the break-up of American plans of acquiring that cozy seaport in Sebastopol, strategic for Russia. And I mean cheering on the internet, by the Westerners including. You are aware I hope that not ALL Westerners are unanimously pro-American, ( including some Americans by the way,) don't you?
If not, I have news for you)))
As we already know it, I have little to do with "Putin's Russia," yet I happen to think that Crimea belongs to Russians and always did. It's an inseparable part of their history, as much as Odessa, Malorossia and all.
I know history might be inconvenient sometimes, but we can't just scratch it off, as much as one would like to.
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That's why not one country on earth recognizes Crimea as part of Russia. It's illegally occupied territory, according to the entire world.
You mean according to the governments? Of course not, they are all towing American line today.
For now.
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But since we already knew it, here is one more time for you;
