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Old 03-15-2014, 05:01 AM
 
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The U.S spends more money in public health per capita than the EEC. Seniors and destitute sectors are covered, but the rest is forced to pay insurance (Calvinism).

So there are large sectors of the struggling middle class, etc, that are not covered.

There's also a lot of pilferage, Medicaid scam, insurance scams, AMA racketeering, excessive uncletomming, idiotic political agendas, etc.
Just to put in a few words, corruption and social inequality arising from historical facts not existing YET in Europe.

 
Old 03-15-2014, 05:07 AM
 
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Some Brits go to the US if they have an obscure disease with very few specialists, but they also go to France, Austria and Switzerland if specialists are based there. If it's general cancer care, they don't go anywhere else.

Also, some wealthy Middle Easterners come here to receive treatment - not to mention Malala Yousafzai was flown here when she was shot.


The best medical services are in the US (paying, of course). In Spain, wealthy people needing special treatments go to the US, not to Europe at all.

In fact, social security is vanishing here and many have medical insurance.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 05:13 AM
 
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The best medical services are in the US (paying, of course). In Spain, wealthy people needing special treatments go to the US, not to Europe at all.

In fact, social security is vanishing here and many have medical insurance.
So, how many people are going abroad to get treatment? 3% of all wealthy cancer patients? 0.1 of all patients?
 
Old 03-15-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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In Spain, wealthy people needing special treatments go to the US, not to Europe at all.
Go to the US for cancer treatments, for other diseases they stay in Spain or go to France or Switzerland.

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In fact, social security is vanishing here and many have medical insurance.
What?
 
Old 03-15-2014, 08:39 AM
 
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Of course the personal income in the US is higher on average. I didn't claim otherwise. All I said is that the difference is not significant enough to claim that the standard of living in these European countries is "much worse" than in the US....
And now factor in that getting ill in the US can cost you 10.000$s to 100.000$s even if you have insurance, studying costs 20.000$ to 40.000$ per year in the US, you can hardly live without a car(or several per family) in the US, groceries are at least twice as expensive in the US, Americans work 60 hours per week for a slightly higher average income whereas we work 30 - 40 hours per week.

They should be making 2x - 3x our salaries to have the same standard of living like over here in Western Europe but in reality they earn on average like 10% to 20% more than we do.

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Old 03-15-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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And now factor in that getting ill in the US can cost you 10.000$s to 100.000$s even if you have insurance, studying costs 20.000$ to 40.000$ per year in the US, you can hardly live without a car(or several per family) in the US, groceries are at least twice as expensive in the US, Americans work 60 hours per week for a slightly higher average income whereas we work 30 - 40 hours per week.

They should be making 2x - 3x our salaries to have the same standard of living like over here in Western Europe but in reality they earn on average like 10% to 20% more than we do.
Another one of your troll posts I suppose. Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowedThe cost of living is lower in the US than any other first world countries. You don't have to make 2-3x the salaries when your purchasing power is just about the highest in the world. This is why you see an American making the same salary as a European - but the American lives in a much larger house filled with more stuff. It's not a matter of opinion, it's statistics. If you enjoy European culture or way of life, that is a matter of opinion, but in terms of economics there's no argument to be made.

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Old 03-15-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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Another one of your troll posts I suppose. Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowedThe cost of living is lower in the US than any other first world countries. You don't have to make 2-3x the salaries when your purchasing power is just about the highest in the world. This is why you see an American making the same salary as a European - but the American lives in a much larger house filled with more stuff. It's not a matter of opinion, it's statistics.
No, it isn't. You are a very poor country actually. It may work as you say out if you don't have to study, don't get ill, don't need several cars, find that one honest employer that allows you to work 40 hours without overtime, eat only fast food instead of fresh groceries but that does not apply to 99% of all Americans(except the fast food perhaps).

In addition, we have 30 - 40 days paid leave, unlimited sick leave so even when we earn 10% - 20% less, we still earn more per hour actually worked than you do.

Some random statistic doesn't mean anything, you can't even compare US overall to Europe. The difference inside the US itself in costs of living for example between Manhattan and rural Alabama is so large it makes no sense. But keep trying anyway.

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Old 03-15-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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No, it isn't. You are a very poor country actually. It may work as you say out if you don't have to study, don't get ill, don't need several cars, find that one honest employer that allows you to work 40 hours without overtime, eat only fast food instead of fresh groceries but that does not apply to 99% of all Americans(except the fast food perhaps).

In addition, we have 30 - 40 days paid leave, unlimited sick leave so even when we earn 10% - 20% less, we still earn more per hour actually worked than you do.

Some random statistic doesn't mean anything, you can't even compare US overall to Europe. The difference inside the US itself in costs of living for example between Manhattan and rural Alabama is so large it makes no sense. But keep trying anyway.
Like I thought, another troll post, just like every post you make on City Data. Sure, the United States is a "very poor country".
 
Old 03-15-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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Like I thought, another troll post, just like every post you make on City Data. Sure, the United States is a "very poor country".
I'm glad we agree.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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And now factor in that getting ill in the US can cost you 10.000$s to 100.000$s even if you have insurance, studying costs 20.000$ to 40.000$ per year in the US, you can hardly live without a car(or several per family) in the US, groceries are at least twice as expensive in the US, Americans work 60 hours per week for a slightly higher average income whereas we work 30 - 40 hours per week.

They should be making 2x - 3x our salaries to have the same standard of living like over here in Western Europe but in reality they earn on average like 10% to 20% more than we do.
Dang what kind of illnesses do you think we get over here?

And 60 hours per week? lol

I don't even think your average South Korean or Japanese citizen works 60 hours per week
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