Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Europe
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 05-13-2017, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
5,699 posts, read 4,924,430 times
Reputation: 4942

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrat335 View Post
I don't live in Seattle. I live in S King County and within a decade I will be gone from here too.
Hey I live there too (Federal Way), Seattle is obviously going to have a lot of issues, it's going through some serious growing pains, the infrastructure is just not meant to handle this many people, give it a couple decades and the infrastructure will catch up, hopefully. There aren't that many cities in Russia that are growing as fast as Seattle except for Tyumen which is just growing like crazy if the numbers are correct

Tyumen
2010: 581,907
2014: 679,861
Change: +97,954 (16.8%)

Seattle
2010: 608,660
2014: 668,342
Change: 59,682 (9.8%)

But in the US Cities are more spread out, so in reality Seattle has a population of 3,798,902 if you count all the suburbs which would put it somewhere between St. Petersburg (5,323,300) and Novosibirsk (1,567,087), so tiny Smolensk of 326,861 people isn't really comparable to Seattle, and it probably has more in common with Lincoln Nebraska with a metro area of 326,921

Smolensk
City Center
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7828...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7841...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7883...7i13312!8i6656
Apartments
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7670...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7804...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7650...7i13312!8i6656
Houses
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7637...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.7625...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.8141...7i13312!8i6656

Lincoln
City Center
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8147...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8136...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8091...7i13312!8i6656
Apartments
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8169...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8076...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8047...7i13312!8i6656
Houses
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8036...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8622...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8341...7i13312!8i6656

So yes Smolensk in the city center is very beautiful and probably better looking than most american cities, but once you get into the residential districts it gets just as cookie cutter, except I like the american housing stock better for the most part, and the neighborhoods look nicer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-13-2017, 08:37 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
102,202 posts, read 107,859,557 times
Reputation: 116113
Quote:
Originally Posted by grega94 View Post

So yes Smolensk in the city center is very beautiful and probably better looking than most american cities, but once you get into the residential districts it gets just as cookie cutter, except I like the american housing stock better for the most part, and the neighborhoods look nicer.
Russian downtowns look beautiful because of the classical architecture. Throw in a couple of onion-domed churches, and you really have a work of art. One reason the Russian private home districts don't look as nice is that many of them have grown helter-skelter, vs. in the US--real estate developers design and build entire neighborhoods. Some are old dacha districts that have been turned into year-round homes.

Also, in Russia, due to crime, people need to barricade themselves behind iron gates and so forth, which detracts from what we call "street appeal", though this isn't true everywhere, but in general, it is. So it's not quite a fair comparison. People have posted photos of new single-family-home developments in Russia, I don't recall exactly--I think it was a Moscow suburb, that looked just as nice as the American ones. To some extent, it's a question of a planned development, vs. neighborhoods that grew organically in older times.

What I like in Russia are the old historical log house neighborhoods. Those were becoming popular when I was last there, because they're warm in winter, and they stay naturally cool in the hot summers. The only drawback is that there's no indoor plumbing.



Last edited by Ruth4Truth; 05-13-2017 at 08:50 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-13-2017, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
5,699 posts, read 4,924,430 times
Reputation: 4942
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth View Post
Russian downtowns look beautiful because of the classical architecture. Throw in a couple of onion-domed churches, and you really have a work of art. One reason the Russian private home districts don't look as nice is that many of them have grown helter-skelter, vs. in the US--real estate developers design and build entire neighborhoods. Some are old dacha districts that have been turned into year-round homes.

Also, in Russia, due to crime, people need to barricade themselves behind iron gates and so forth, which detracts from what we call "street appeal", though this isn't true everywhere, but in general, it is. So it's not quite a fair comparison. People have posted photos of new single-family-home developments in Russia, I don't recall exactly--I think it was a Moscow suburb, that looked just as nice as the American ones. To some extent, it's a question of a planned development, vs. neighborhoods that grew organically in older times.

What I like in Russia are the old historical log house neighborhoods. Those were becoming popular when I was last there, because they're warm in winter, and they stay naturally cool in the hot summers. The only drawback is that there's no indoor plumbing.

Yeah Irkutsk still has quite a bit of those
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2880...7i13312!8i6656

Though some are severely neglected and I think some of them are being demolished?
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2887...7i13312!8i6656

Also not all cities have preserved their historic buildings that well such as Novisibirsk
https://www.google.com/maps/@55.0272...7i13312!8i6656

Or Tolyatti
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.5082...7i13312!8i6656

Also the US used to have some very beautiful cities, Baltimore still has some sections surviving
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2974...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2983...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3034...7i13312!8i6656
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-13-2017, 11:41 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
102,202 posts, read 107,859,557 times
Reputation: 116113
Ulan Ude (Buryatia) did a very good job of preserving theirs. That whole section of town was very pleasant to stroll through; there were a lot of tall, old shade trees, a riverfront promenade, and the beautiful architecture.
From what I can glean from the internet these days, the neighborhood has developed to some extent; people are taking over the old homes and using them as offices, and it's turning into a commercial district, which is kind of too bad. It was a nice, peaceful area for walking and enjoying the ambience and the scenery.


That photo of the demolition in Irkutsk looks very sad. That one remaining building could be rescued and restored, as an historic and architectural monument. The photo creates the impression that no one values these once elegant old homes. Is there anything like an historic preservation movement in Russian cities?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-13-2017, 11:49 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
102,202 posts, read 107,859,557 times
Reputation: 116113
Quote:
Originally Posted by grega94 View Post
Yeah Irkutsk still has quite a bit of those
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2880...7i13312!8i6656

Though some are severely neglected and I think some of them are being demolished?
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2887...7i13312!8i6656

Also not all cities have preserved their historic buildings that well such as Novisibirsk
https://www.google.com/maps/@55.0272...7i13312!8i6656

Or Tolyatti
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.5082...7i13312!8i6656

Also the US used to have some very beautiful cities, Baltimore still has some sections surviving
San Francisco's Victorians:









Last edited by Ruth4Truth; 05-13-2017 at 11:58 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-13-2017, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Russia
2,216 posts, read 1,021,239 times
Reputation: 946
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.60...7i13312!8i6656

New homes in Russia are built approximately so .. more new areas of development.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-14-2017, 11:32 AM
 
2,867 posts, read 1,540,297 times
Reputation: 8652
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth View Post
What I like in Russia are the old historical log house neighborhoods. Those were becoming popular when I was last there, because they're warm in winter, and they stay naturally cool in the hot summers. The only drawback is that there's no indoor plumbing.
Considering Russian winters I would rather be in Seattle. Indoor toilets are good things.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-15-2017, 10:49 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
102,202 posts, read 107,859,557 times
Reputation: 116113
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seija View Post
Considering Russian winters I would rather be in Seattle. Indoor toilets are good things.
Exactly. Winter would be very challenging in that regard.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-15-2017, 05:38 PM
 
9,511 posts, read 5,437,689 times
Reputation: 9092
I just want to say that maybe I knock on Seattle a little hard because America is a different society than Russia. The biggest aspect seems to be America and Seattle are newer, we don't have the historical legacy that Russia has. Our style of building is different and in my opinion leaves a lot to be desired. In Moscow you can see all the green spaces, the wide sidewalks and boulevards. It's very people friendly. Seattle is very different, more sterile with less green more concrete and sometimes places to walk and enjoy are more of an afterthought.

Beauty costs, especially if you're trying to create it like here in America. It Russia beauty in many forms was created and preserved over many centuries. Russian cabors are beautiful, and some very old. American churches tend to be dark, brooding piles of brick or rock not in any way inviting like a Russian church is.

I think people who've been there can understand what I'm saying. It's really a great example of one thing Russia and America could learn from one another.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-15-2017, 06:56 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
102,202 posts, read 107,859,557 times
Reputation: 116113
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrat335 View Post
I just want to say that maybe I knock on Seattle a little hard because America is a different society than Russia. The biggest aspect seems to be America and Seattle are newer, we don't have the historical legacy that Russia has. Our style of building is different and in my opinion leaves a lot to be desired. In Moscow you can see all the green spaces, the wide sidewalks and boulevards. It's very people friendly. Seattle is very different, more sterile with less green more concrete and sometimes places to walk and enjoy are more of an afterthought.

Beauty costs, especially if you're trying to create it like here in America. It Russia beauty in many forms was created and preserved over many centuries. Russian cabors are beautiful, and some very old. American churches tend to be dark, brooding piles of brick or rock not in any way inviting like a Russian church is.

I think people who've been there can understand what I'm saying. It's really a great example of one thing Russia and America could learn from one another.
"Sobor", is the word. Cathedral, in English. I agree--there's nothing like onion domes to lend some kind of a lyrical quality to a cityscape. You should visit Austria; there's similar church architecture in the towns and villages there, even though it's not Orthodox.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Europe
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top