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The European statistics institute Eurosta has calculated that 162,000 more people left the country than came to it in 2012. Most are foreigners who have left to go back to their home countries, but an ever rising number of Spaniards are also trying their luck abroad.The latest figures released by Eurostat put the figure at 59,724 people who have left the country, almost double the 35,900 in 2008, the first year of the economic crisis. The difficulty to find a job after losing one - there are some 4.9 million unemployed, 26.6% of the active population - is the primary motivation to emigrate back. Almost all of the foreigners are from South America. Once they receive citizenship and after searching for a job for many months, they tend to go back to where they came from: Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina, Colombia, Brazil, and Peru. Spaniards instead prefer to emigrate to Great Britain, France and Germany.
Almost all of the foreigners are from South America. Once they receive citizenship and after searching for a job for many months, they tend to go back to where they came from: Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina, Colombia, Brazil, and Peru. Spaniards instead prefer to emigrate to Great Britain, France and Germany.
That would be the case 5 years ago, not anymore. Since two years ago is Chile with more Spanish emigrants, not any of the countries mentioned on this link. And there has never been a large Chilean population in Spain, those people are not going back to thr country they come from, they are spanish.born.
Well, as I have access to the Finnish statistics bureau (all Finns do, the stats are all public domain these days), lets look of how the amount of certain people registering as speakers of language x has risen. (Registered language and passports are the only method of measurement, as we can't collect data on ethnicity).
Spanish: 65% increase from 2007 until 2013
Italian: 49% increase
Greek: 74% increase
Portuguese: 78% increase
Of course, as no of those nationalities/languages have any real history with Finland the numbers to begin with were small, and still are, but you still see a clear trend. (Except for some Italian businessmen who came here in the 19th century, but they didn't affect the demographics).
I excluded English, but tried the German and French languages, and those have been increased only by 20%. Chinese languages speakers have risen by 65%, so those Southern European languages are not alone.
I know what you mean, but not sure I'd want to pay those high tax rates.
Ok, perhaps not.
Tell how much you pay in health/life/home insurances, your education, your childrens' education, what is your pension at the moment, sick leave days with full salary and so on? Just come up with some kind of a number and we'll compare from there.
Envy? Hell, no! They have beautiful scenery and great musical talent. No doubt. But, look at their health care system. What a joke! Docs are forcing sick patients trough all kinds of un necessary lab tests etc. and are trying to jack up the final bill as much as possible. But that's what happens when you make health care a business.
People keep saying US docs do that, but I've only experienced a lifetime of the opposite; they refuse to take patient concerns seriously, so the patient can't get the tests he or she needs. They tell patients they're "fine", even though the patients have serious illnesses. Insurance doesn't want to pay for expensive tests and procedures, so they pressure docs in various ways to refrain from ordering them.
Well, as I have access to the Finnish statistics bureau (all Finns do, the stats are all public domain these days), lets look of how the amount of certain people registering as speakers of language x has risen. (Registered language and passports are the only method of measurement, as we can't collect data on ethnicity).
Spanish: 65% increase from 2007 until 2013
Italian: 49% increase
Greek: 74% increase
Portuguese: 78% increase
Of course, as no of those nationalities/languages have any real history with Finland the numbers to begin with were small, and still are, but you still see a clear trend. (Except for some Italian businessmen who came here in the 19th century, but they didn't affect the demographics).
I excluded English, but tried the German and French languages, and those have been increased only by 20%. Chinese languages speakers have risen by 65%, so those Southern European languages are not alone.
In 2011, Spanish immigration to the UK rose by 85%, but I'm not sure about now. There has been a big rise in Italians immigrating here - I think the biggest rise of any immigrant group, bar Polish. I think people don't care much about Italians and Spaniards because they are not Eastern European.
Not sure about languages spoken. I'll have to try and find some stats.
Tell how much you pay in health/life/home insurances, your education, your childrens' education, what is your pension at the moment, sick leave days with full salary and so on? Just come up with some kind of a number and we'll compare from there.
didn't mean to start an argument. While I envy the lifestyle of the social democracies of northern Europe it is generally paid for with higher tax rates that Americans are willing to pay - although some would. And yes there are some high tax states like New York and California but generally we get all those things you mentioned but with lower tax rates. Of course we have to maintain a very expensive military, but that's another story. Peace.
didn't mean to start an argument. While I envy the lifestyle of the social democracies of northern Europe it is generally paid for with higher tax rates that Americans are willing to pay - although some would. And yes there are some high tax states like New York and California but generally we get all those things you mentioned but with lower tax rates. Of course we have to maintain a very expensive military, but that's another story. Peace.
We pay higher taxes for more extensive and generous social welfare, universal healthcare, better maintained infrastructure, more widely available public transport, and so on, so no, you don't get 'everything we get'. We pay higher taxes and get more in return - otherwise it would make no sense. You guys pay less taxes so the government does not get involved with your life, because that is the American dream, I think.
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