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Old 07-17-2014, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Arizona
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can you provide any evidence to support your assertion?

if not, just be quiet. you're not adding any value.
Yes, there is a ton of evidence. Here's what Wesley Clark surprisingly found out...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E

His timing is off a bit because the plan has been delayed, but it shows that there IS a plan to do these things, and there ARE major players involved, while we sit and watch the BS from the nightly news.

If you take the time to watch this, a series of related videos will come up. One will be a 20 minute talk by retired US General Stubblebind, and what he has come to find out about the government through investigation and the truth of 911. It is chilling! Here's that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xzsbSbVUE

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Old 07-17-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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Yes, there is a ton of evidence. Here's what Wesley Clark surprisingly found out...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E

His timing is off a bit because the plan has been delayed, but it shows that there IS a plan to do these things, and there ARE major players involved, while we sit and watch the BS from the nightly news.
he's talking about a military strategy, he's a former US General. I should hope that Generals have insight into possibilities of war. There aren't civilians sitting around in the US just wishing for war. That's what my comments was about.

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Old 07-17-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: NoVa
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Bet the rebels feel pretty dumb for bragging about seizing a Buk missile system.


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And now it's emerged that it was Iran that shot down Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie in revenge for the US Navy shooting down Iran Air 655 and that Lockerbie was nothing to do with Libya.

<smattering of Torygraph and Daily Fail links>
How about you try posting something of substance instead of trying to derail this thread with multiple links to hearsay/allegations?
 
Old 07-17-2014, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Bet the rebels feel pretty dumb for bragging about seizing a Buk missile system.




How about you try posting something of substance instead of trying to derail this thread with multiple links to hearsay/allegations?
I think it's relevant. They are just trying to show that this isn't the first time something like this has happened.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8...ature=youtu.be

Any translations?

Also: http://web.archive.org/web/201407171...-57424472_7256

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0:20: A: Just now, just now, "Minera" group downed an airplane. It fell on Yenakivo.
0:26: B: Pilots? Where are the pilots?
0:29: A: We're going now to search and take photos of the wreckage.
0:33: B: How long ago?
0:34: A: About 30 minutes.
[At this point, video skips ahead to a different conversation, apparently some time later and between two different people]
0:44: C: Yes, "Major"
0:45: D: From Chernuhino, they downed the plane.
0:48: C: Who?
0:49: C: From Chernuhino post, cossacks that are stationed at Chernukino.
0:56: C: The plane broke up in mid-air, near Petropavlosk mine. First 200 (ed: ?). Found first 200 (ed: ?). Civilian.
1:12: D: So what's going on?
1:15: C: Stupid civilian plane.
1:18: D: Understood. Are there many people?
1:20: C: FUBAR. Wreckage falling right in peoples yards.
1:24: D: What model?
1:26: C: I haven't figured it out yet. Haven't yet gotten to the main debris. I'm still where the first bodies fell.
1:31: C: There's wreckage of internal containers, seats, bodies.
1:35: D: Understood. Are there any weapons?
1:37: C: Nothing at all. Civilian stuff, medical supplies, towels, toilet paper.
1:43: D: Any documents?
1:45: C: Yes. Indonesian student. From Thompson university.
[Another cut, several more people]
1:52: About that plane shot down near Snezhnovo Torez. It turned out to be a passenger plane. Fell near Grabovo, there's lots of bodies, women and children. Right now the cossacks are inspecting it.
2:03: On TV they are saying AN-26, Ukrainian transport, but are saying it's labeled Malaysian Airlines.
2:12: What was it doing in Ukrainian territory?
2:16: Maybe it was transporting spies. Who knows. It's war.
"First 200" supposedly refers to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_200

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Old 07-17-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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Written in Ukrainian, speaking Russian with Ukrainian accent. It is Kiev people talking.

Seems it is Kiev people talking about a plane getting shot down, to them it does not seem military, they thought it was an AN-26 shot down at first. They accusing one of Strelkov's divisions of shooting it down, saying "Cossacks" did it.

They are then talking about coming across some papers, an Indonesian student's papers, and asking why was the plane there, perhaps spies or something.

The guy asking who you think the plane belongs to, the other responds no clue because have not approached the biggest part of it yet.

On edit: exact translation found by poster.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Originally Posted by viribusunitis View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8...ature=youtu.be

Any translations?

Also: Wall | VK

Edit: translation:



"First 200" supposedly refers to this: Cargo 200 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
With high probability it is a fake.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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With high probability it is a fake.
What makes you think that? Not saying it is not, but wondering what clues. I think it is possibly fake, I guess a cross voice comparison of other videos by this Geranin guy could assist in determining.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Russia
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There are two versions of what happened.
1. The plane accidentally knocked off rebels confused with the cargo plane Ukrainian army.
2. This is a provocation for the purpose of accuse Russia and to impose new sanctions.
But the main question: why send a civilian plane over a war zone?
 
Old 07-17-2014, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What makes you think that? Not saying it is not, but wondering what clues. I think it is possibly fake, I guess a cross voice comparison of other videos by this Geranin guy could assist in determining.
Ukrainian and Russian propaganda work very productively. I did not like the word "Cossack". This is reminiscent of propaganda. But in any case to recordings on YouTube better treated with caution.
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