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Old 07-17-2014, 06:12 PM
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There won't be a widening war in Europe... just a prolonged, increased isolation and mistrust of Russia. Who knows what the intentions of the Russian government are at this point. They're a loose cannon on the world stage.

They're so desperate for strategic connections now that they're cozying up to Cuba again after a long distancing period. Ridiculous. Would you want Castro supporting you? In this day and age? Insanity.

Old 07-17-2014, 07:16 PM
Location: 'Back in the midst of a world gone mad'
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I don't believe Russia had anything to do with taking the plane down. It wouldn't have benefitted Putin in any way to do that.

It would benefit others though....
Old 07-17-2014, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by k350 View Post
Written in Ukrainian, speaking Russian with Ukrainian accent. It is Kiev people talking.
No, that's the way Russians in Ukraine/Southern Russian regions are usually talking. ( And so do Ukrainians when they speak Russian.)
Another thing - I've read the rebel's site long enough to know that the alias "Grek" ( the "Greek") identifying one of the militants in this video is a real thing.

Seems it is Kiev people talking about a plane getting shot down, to them it does not seem military, they thought it was an AN-26 shot down at first. They accusing one of Strelkov's divisions of shooting it down, saying "Cossacks" did it.
That's the part that quite honestly surprises me. Strelnikov and "cossacks" are not one and the same thing; in fact he is constantly talking about their absence of discipline and resistance to military orders.
I don't quite understand why would cossacks ( out of all people) would end up in charge of BUK (if indeed they really had one in operational condition and that's really the weapon that has stricken down the Malaysian airplane.)
In any case it's a tragedy and I don't understand ( in the same manner as people in this video) who and why would still let the civil airplanes fly over the war zone.

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Old 07-17-2014, 07:43 PM
Location: Castlederp
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Seems like it was a missile attack.. wow
Old 07-17-2014, 09:15 PM
Location: Czech Republic
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NATO nuke Russia. Murders.
Old 07-17-2014, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by EdaW View Post
NATO nuke Russia. Murders.
Yea, and Russia with its thousands of nukes would nuke back...your point? Or just here to troll?

Did you have the same reaction when Ukraine shot down a passenger jet in 2001?
Old 07-17-2014, 10:11 PM
Location: Russia
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Originally Posted by k350 View Post
Ukrainians and Cossacks have a history of conflict going back centuries; it is well understood Ukraine has a fear of a resurgent Cossack identity, thus claims to historical Cossack lands. Ukrainians were the spearhead in persecution of the Cossacks after the Russian civil war. Just the thought of being able to do this caused numerous Ukrainians to align with the Soviets.
Yes, but this word in the negotiations on the application of the rebels sophisticated weaponry looks very strange and funny for Russians.
Old 07-17-2014, 10:25 PM
Location: Russia
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Originally Posted by Mahhammer View Post
As usual, some blasted thing happens in Europe, I wonder what reformation in ideals and beliefs will occur after a war if it were to happen.
I do not think that the war will be because of the downed plane. If the rebels did it, it was an accident (a mistake).

War can only start, if the West is brought down the plane to be able to attack Russia. In this case, in the near future the White House must make an important statement.
Old 07-17-2014, 10:26 PM
Location: southern california
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the so called russian elements in ukraine are acting like terrorists. russia has a strong policy regarding terrorists lets see if they follow their own policies.
Old 07-17-2014, 10:32 PM
Location: Russia
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But we should not rule out the infighting in Ukraine. The new president has no power over the oligarchs. Some troops subordinate to the President (Poroshenko), part of the army obeys the oligarchs (they sponsor the army). Downed aircraft may be part of the struggle within the government of Ukraine. I hope, the investigation will be able to establish the cause.
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