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Old 07-17-2014, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948 View Post
the so called russian elements in ukraine are acting like terrorists. russia has a strong policy regarding terrorists lets see if they follow their own policies.
The American people also acted like terrorists in the War of Independence (1775-1783). The situation is always more complicated than it seems at first glance.

 
Old 07-17-2014, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Slovakia
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Russian terrorists shot down civilian aircraft using Buk missile system
_ayli_ comments on Malaysian Plane crashes over the Ukraine

Due to Russian terrorism 300 people died yesterday.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Due to Russian terrorism 300 people died yesterday.
If you say it, then you need to tell the following: during the military action killed more than a thousand civilians (they were killed Ukrainian Army). And the initial reason for all events: a military coup in Kiev.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Slovakia
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If you say it, then you need to tell the following: during the military action killed more than a thousand civilians (they were killed Ukrainian Army). And the initial reason for all events: a military coup in Kiev.

You wanted to say

"And the initial reason for all events:Russian invasion and import of Russian terrorism"

didn't you ?
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Russia
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You wanted to say

"And the initial reason for all events:Russian invasion and import of Russian terrorism"

didn't you ?
This is all discussed in detail in neighboring thread. Russia has not invaded the territory of Ukraine (except Crimea, who left the Ukraine). Russia has not recognized the Donetsk and Lugansk individual states. But the Russian people (volunteers, not regular army) helping their brothers defend their home.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Slovakia
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People who executed prisoners (Geneva conventions), shot down civilian aircraft, celebrated killing people and imported weapons to the foreign country are terrorists.
Everything they have done so far was an act of terrorism and everyone who supports them should be treated as a terrorist.

It's time to do something, world has to act and fight against Russian terrorism. Russia has to be isolated, geo-politically and economically as well. Russian policy hasn't changed Russians still have an intention to occupy, kill, invade and destroy other countries.
Once again World stands at the brink of the world war and again Russians starting it.

Last edited by streetway; 07-17-2014 at 11:35 PM..
 
Old 07-17-2014, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Yes, even Russia is part of Europe. I meant to write EU. People here don't generally care of wars nearby just like we didn't really care about the war in Yugoslavia. We don't have the guts to interfere and we are too divided on everything.
The Yugoslavia war resulted in the fact that thousands of conscripts had to stay a couple of additional months in the army and were moved to the border to Slovenia with live ammo for their rocket launcher.

I probably would have shat my pants as a 17/18-year-old.
 
Old 07-18-2014, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Russia
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People who executed prisoners (Geneva conventions), shot down civilian aircraft, celebrated killing people and imported weapons to the foreign country are terrorists.
Everything they have done so far was an act of terrorism and everyone who supports them should be treated as a terrorist.
I totally agree with you. All who helped the military coup in Kiev, who killed unarmed police, who shouted "kill Russian" and made Nazi torchlight processions, who first of all pass anti-Russian laws, must be punished.

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Once again World stands at the brink of the world war and again Russians starting it.
Here you make a mistake in each word.
 
Old 07-18-2014, 12:25 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Yeah, the evidence is not conclusive at the moment, but let's be frank here: the Ukrainian military is tantamount to a disorganized rabble. The technological hardware to do this, in as much as it exists over there, is almost all in the hands of the Russians and Russia-backed separatists. It does not take a rocket scientist (no pun intended) to figure this one out.

The west, fearful of a disruption of gas supplies, has danced around the issues of real sanctions for months now. But if legitimate economy-wide sanctions are imposed, what exactly is to hold Putin back from making real moves into Ukraine (Russia is a one-trick pony when it comes to economy. Stop buying the gas and, presumably, they crash)? Nobody has positioned assets to stop a move on Kiev, and it's doubtful that we'd even try. What would he have to lose?

While it by no means looks as if WW3 is in any way imminent, people need to understand that, when it comes to war, it doesn't take two to tango. Europe and the U.S. may demure from a full-fledged conflict, but Russia is a different beast. What's more, Putin is aware, not only of what the communist bloc looked like, but also this:



This is Europe of a hundred years ago. In many ways, it was both a more complicated and a simpler place. But Russia's physical presence in Europe was undeniable, and the past century has seen that presence -- with occasional exception -- erode precipitously. Though it seems impossible to see Russia making a move on NATO-backed countries like Poland and the Baltic States in the here and now, reoccupying Ukraine would hardly be historically unprecedented, and an occupation would position just such a future move.

All I'm saying is: shooting down airliners full of civilians is a pretty massive escalation. A day ago, who could have predicted this? And who is to say where we go from here? -- in both the short and the long term?
Another paranoia. Russia is not waging war in the Ukraine.
 
Old 07-18-2014, 12:33 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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NATO nuke Russia. Murders.
You know that Russia has the world's only weapon that guarantees a retaliatory nuclear strike against the enemy, even a nightmare if we have no one to take a decision on this beat. Unique counterattacks automatically. System called "Perimeter" nicknamed the West "Dead Hand", and in the East "Hand of the grave"
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