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Old 12-04-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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I don't think so. The West had already been accusing the separatists of having BUK's before the accident, regardless of whether they got them from Russia or by plundering army installations in the Ukraine.
So no plane can be safe over the Ukraine from the West's perspective.
As far as I know the pictures of BUKs on the streets of Snizhne taken by journalists surfaced after the incident. Not before.
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:25 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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As far as I know the pictures of BUKs on the streets of Snizhne taken by journalists surfaced after the incident. Not before.
It did not depend on pictures taken on the streets. There are secret services, which have much more information available, after all the whole coup in the Ukraine was staged by the US with the help of the EU.
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:34 AM
 
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It did not depend on pictures taken on the streets. There are secret services, which have much more information available, after all the whole coup in the Ukraine was staged by the US with the help of the EU.
Allrighty then
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:59 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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It did not depend on pictures taken on the streets. There are secret services, which have much more information available, after all the whole coup in the Ukraine was staged by the US with the help of the EU.
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Old 12-04-2014, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Russia
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BUKs can, MANPADs (5000m) can't. Since the rebels claimed and still claim that they don't have any BUKs it was considered fairly safe to fly over that area.
Who shot down the plane, we do not know. Syria and Afghanistan do not have the BUKs. I understand that the Ukrainians do not deny that their BUKs were in place conflict. They were afraid of Russian aircraft. Why Ukrainians have not closed military zone? Ukrainians had once shot down a civilian aircraft in 2001 during a military exercise. Several dozen people were killed.
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