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Old 10-09-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Monnem Germany/ from San Diego
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not meant to be serious�� I really like The NL.

 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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not meant to be serious�� I really like The NL.
I do too, but when you think about it, why is the Netherlands immigration policy so expansive? I know their birth rates are a little low but still. I rarely meet Dutch people who don't decry the state of things today to include the immigrant groups (esp those Moroccans). Although I probably tend to meet more right-leaning Dutch abroad or in the US, the kind who feel they must leave their native country (for better jobs, weather, or long-term travel desires).

Maybe I just answered my own question, so many expats that they do need immigration...
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:23 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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People the world over conform, the Netherlands isn't special in this case.

Regarding immigrants not assimilating, I don't know.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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I do too, but when you think about it, why is the Netherlands immigration policy so expansive? I know their birth rates are a little low but still. I rarely meet Dutch people who don't decry the state of things today to include the immigrant groups (esp those Moroccans). Although I probably tend to meet more right-leaning Dutch abroad or in the US, the kind who feel they must leave their native country (for better jobs, weather, or long-term travel desires).
I think most Dutch people realize things have gone terribly wrong with our immigration policy yet don't really speak openly about it let alone do something about it because it would be very politically incorrect to do so. It does not seem to be a problem specific to the Netherlands, other countries like Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, France or the US also have ethnic minorities being overrepresented in unemployment statistics or crime statistics.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 01:36 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I think most Dutch people realize things have gone terribly wrong with our immigration policy yet don't really speak openly about it let alone do something about it because it would be very politically incorrect to do so. It does not seem to be a problem specific to the Netherlands, other countries like Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, France or the US also have ethnic minorities being overrepresented in unemployment statistics or crime statistics.
We're long past that stage of it being politically incorrect to talk about immigration. It seems that any political discussion revolves around that topic nowadays. I do think it's rather ironic for someone who complains about immigration to move to another country and convince all his friends to do the same. As if the US does not have its own issues with racism and immigration

As far as conformism goes, The Netherlands is probably among the least conformist countries out there. This is one of the most permissive societies in the world with an ultra-conservative bible belt smack in the middle. This is the country where the extreme left and extreme right have a viable voice in politics. We elected a non-married single man to highest public office, something that is seen as no big deal here but would be absolutely unthinkable in the US. Again, how ironic for the OP to think he is escaping conformism by moving to the US. Good luck trying to discuss the merits of socialism in an economics class or having any career in politics as an outspoken atheist. But that's mild compared to the level of conformism that exists in most countries in the world. In some places, you will be outcast or even put to death if you dare to stray from the religious, political or cultural norm even remotely. I would advise the OP to travel a little and see what real conformism is like.
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