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Old 11-20-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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Judging from the Swiss whom I know personally, they seem to lead a simpler lifestyle, and are quite frugal.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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1) It is probably true, but as far as I know the Swiss make much higher salaries (one of the few countries that pay more than the US) and pay lower taxes.
Countries with high cost of living usually have high average salaries, this applies to both Switzerland and the US. I wouldn't want to be poor in either of those countries.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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I bet that's not a lot of money, given the high cost of living. Not everyone earns overtime. And considering the fact that a nursing degree, even if it's a 2-year degree, requires a lot of science and medical coursework, plus they're responsible for people's lives, for heaven's sake!
Quite frankly, €2900 for someone fresh out of school is a fair amount of money. Also, overtime/work on Sunday/odd hours are pretty much a given in that sector. Again: Those people don't have a university degree.

Someone fresh out of law school (after the compulsory clerkship) makes ~€2000. All in. No extra money for overtime. And those people all have Master degrees.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Quite frankly, €2900 for someone fresh out of school is a fair amount of money.
Someone else on this thread said starting pay for nurses was less than half what you're saying, though.
And I don't know about Switzerland, but in the US, there are different shifts, so that no one is required to put in overtime, usually. And the nurses who have been working the longest get the first choice of shifts, so some of them take the whole weekend, and get all the overtime pay that way. They can word 2 days plus some time on Fridays, and they get paid the same as the weekday nurses get paid for working 5 days. Those who choose evening shifts get paid the overtime pay that's for evening or night work. Everyone works either 8 hrs. or 12 hours. (3 12-hr. shifts = 1 week's pay on weekdays.) Maybe in Switzerland it's different, and employers can require someone who has completed their 8 hr. shift to work extra hours for overtime. The nurses' union doesn't allow that in the US.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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The biggest complaint, like the others here, is the horrific cost of living. A McDonald's meal cost like US$12 at the time I visited, it can easily be at US$17 nowadays with the exchange rate. With prices as high as that, I asked for ketchup and they charged me for a packet of ketchup! No, the expensive fries you ordered does not entitle you to a free packet of ketchup.
This is sad to hear. I mean, if you can't afford to enjoy a meal at the famous Swiss McDonald's what is the point of even going to Switzerland?

But seriously, I have had a couple of skiing vacations to Zermatt and it was a brilliant time. I can't speak for touristing around Zurich, Geneva or other 'urban' Swiss experiences, that is not my type of vacation for the most part, but I would like to swim the Aare in Bern before I die. That sounds anything but boring.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Someone else on this thread said starting pay for nurses was less than half what you're saying, though.
Got my number from the webpage of AMS, the Austrian employment agency. The other number was hearsay. Also, even without additional money from overtime that's quite a lot of dough for someone that has hardly any work experience and/or formal education.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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Never been to Switzerland but from my experience with people that have lived there and from what I've read and seen throughout the years my opinion of it, like others have already said here, is that it's a gorgeous little country but insanely boring. I believe that's why William Tell used to shoot arrows at people's heads, he was trying to make life a bit more interesting.
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Old 11-20-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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Never been to Switzerland but from my experience with people that have lived there and from what I've read and seen throughout the years my opinion of it, like others have already said here, is that it's a gorgeous little country but insanely boring. I believe that's why William Tell used to shoot arrows at people's heads, he was trying to make life a bit more interesting.
95% of the US is as boring, if not more, and not nearly as pretty.
What is "not boring"? I would say rich culture, a non-homogenous lifestyle, festivals all year around, great non-generic food, non-suburban etc etc.
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Old 11-20-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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I agree that a lot of the US is boring too but this thread is about Switzerland.
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Old 11-20-2014, 12:47 PM
 
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Quite frankly, €2900 for someone fresh out of school is a fair amount of money. Also, overtime/work on Sunday/odd hours are pretty much a given in that sector. Again: Those people don't have a university degree.

Someone fresh out of law school (after the compulsory clerkship) makes ~€2000. All in. No extra money for overtime. And those people all have Master degrees.
The Swiss make much more than that. When I lived in Germany they said in the news that in Switzerland a cashier makes 3000 euros per month and a train driver 5000 euros per month. The train drivers were on strike over that because they thought it is not enough ... Still, they are far from being rich, that money mostly goes to the terrible high costs of living. It's a bit like London, Paris, New York or San Fransisco, whatever you make in a salaried job will not buy you a good standard of living.

When I entered a simple looking grocery store called Migros I really got a price shock, things are literally 3 times as expensive as in Germany or the Netherlands. Rents are very high too compared to the rest of Europe. Their costs of living are more comparable to Northern America rather than Europe.
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