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Old 07-13-2015, 12:32 PM
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[quote=Ruth4Truth;40394235]Well, they would, wouldn't they? Most of them are uninformed of Russian history, plus they would tend to have a bias against Russia, viewing it as "backward". But I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that historians now recognize the 6 Nations Confederacy of the Iroquois as having contributed significantly to the US system, via the early ambassador from the colonies to the Confederacy, Benjamin Franklin. He observed democracy in action, and also got the idea of the people's power to "impeach" leaders from that source. Not to mention, the whole idea of a confederation of states.[/QUOTE]

That's extremely interesting. Where did you find that.
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Old 07-13-2015, 02:13 PM
 
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Well, they would, wouldn't they? Most of them are uninformed of Russian history, plus they would tend to have a bias against Russia, viewing it as "backward". But I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that historians now recognize the 6 Nations Confederacy of the Iroquois as having contributed significantly to the US system, via the early ambassador from the colonies to the Confederacy, Benjamin Franklin. He observed democracy in action, and also got the idea of the people's power to "impeach" leaders from that source. Not to mention, the whole idea of a confederation of states.[/QUOTE]

That's extremely interesting. Where did you find that.
"Forgotten Founders: How The American Indian Helped Shape Democracy", by Bruce Johansen. Another book on the same topic is "Indian Roots of American Democracy", by Jose Barreiro.
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Old 07-13-2015, 04:41 PM
 
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18. Pop culture: Neither
19. History: Russia
20. Architecture: Russia. With the exception of the awful post-war communist architecture.
I dont agree on these.

Lets see, first modern architecture:
Finland



Russia



Next pop-culture, lets take examples from rock and pop-music, female singers.

Russia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL5Su3F1rhI

Finland



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJTlH521E6w

Russia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoZEjzC5Aps

Finland


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ladZrO7as


And last History...How you can compare history between two countries?
Only way to do that is too see what history have done to the country.
History of Russia have lead it several times to chaos and look it now, they will do it again....
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Old 07-13-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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@UserFinn That's great, if you like Scandinavian Modern. Some of us don't. We like quaint onion-domed churches. And pop culture--who cares? But you could say that the Russians lag behind in design innovation in general, whether it's in architecture, art, consumer products, or whatever. Or more like--the system doesn't recognize and reward their innovators, so they tend to get lost in the shuffle. It's not that they don't have innovators.

How about "soul" ? There should have been a "soul" category. You Finns are mere children on that score.
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Old 07-13-2015, 05:51 PM
 
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"Forgotten Founders: How The American Indian Helped Shape Democracy", by Bruce Johansen. Another book on the same topic is "Indian Roots of American Democracy", by Jose Barreiro.
Sorry, but the idea of "democracy" goes way back before the US was even a thought, way before the Europeans even stepped foot in the place. This is clearly evident in in political philosophy going back to the Greeks and St. Augustine. More specifically, John Locke was a direct influence of classical liberalism in which modern democracy is based of off.
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:30 AM
 
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@UserFinn That's great, if you like Scandinavian Modern. Some of us don't. We like quaint onion-domed churches. And pop culture--who cares? But you could say that the Russians lag behind in design innovation in general, whether it's in architecture, art, consumer products, or whatever. Or more like--the system doesn't recognize and reward their innovators, so they tend to get lost in the shuffle. It's not that they don't have innovators.

How about "soul" ? There should have been a "soul" category. You Finns are mere children on that score.
So you mean that all russians (And you too) lives or like to live on onion domed churchs?
I gave too examples of modern architecture, one from Finland and one from Russia....Old church are not modern architecture.
Its funny how now churchs are important for russians, when they were communists, they blow churchs...I guess that 15-20 years more and they will start again destroy work.

Concerning pop-culture,It seems that russians cares but as usual, they are doing just bad copy-work on this too.
On my example, listen that Anna Tanzen(or something) and try to remember melody after one hour...Thats right, you cant remember it because it is so trivial.

What comes to the soul of finns, this is something that you can not understand. Clean,silence nature is church for finnish soul.
Russian soul is missing and lost, totally...But hey, as an heritage from Soviet Union, they have now lot of conspiracy theories, fear,violence, pollution and waste to offer.
Hitler and Stalin are not dead, they are still living in Russia.
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Old 07-14-2015, 02:26 PM
 
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Concerning pop-culture,It seems that russians cares but as usual, they are doing just bad copy-work on this too.
On my example, listen that Anna Tanzen(or something) and try to remember melody after one hour...Thats right, you cant remember it because it is so trivial.
Russian music is very diverse. I have posted a lot of videos in the neighboring thread (music in Europe), if you're interested. Text of Russian song must have meaning, without this song will not be popular. But these songs are not popular in Europe, because it is in Russian. Many Russian bands are not inferior to Finnish terms of sound quality. And many even superior (in my opinion), because among their members a lot of people with good classical education.


https://youtu.be/PO9HDAgWOWE


https://youtu.be/j3rnWXegtHw


https://youtu.be/v0ElSU4pHEw


https://youtu.be/l1TzJm1BD2I


https://youtu.be/21yiCJjkmmY

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Old 07-14-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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here's my favorite russian pop song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnt_KR1KV3s
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:00 PM
 
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Russian soul is missing and lost, totally...
Sorry, but you can not judge it.
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:22 PM
 
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Sorry, but the idea of "democracy" goes way back before the US was even a thought, way before the Europeans even stepped foot in the place. This is clearly evident in in political philosophy going back to the Greeks and St. Augustine. More specifically, John Locke was a direct influence of classical liberalism in which modern democracy is based of off.
That's not what the other poster was asking about, but thanks, anyway.
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