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Old 12-05-2014, 02:30 PM
 
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Hello! I'm from Hungary.



Why have slavic and Northern Germanic speaking populations Mongolid genes? Such as Central Asian Q and N1C1?






Hungarians are genetically more european than most slavic speaking people (who contain more Asian mongoloid Y and mt.DNA haplogroup markers), but all Northern Germanic nations (incl. Northern Germany too) have higher ratio of Mongolid haplogroup markers . See the ratio of Central Asian haplogroup „Q” and the other mongoloid haplogroup marker „N” (aka. N1C1) markers in the largest genetic CHART of European nations:

European Y-DNA haplogroups frequencies by country - Eupedia

And see the high ratio of middle-eastern haplogroup markers (various „J” and african negroid E1b1) in all balkan populations (inc. Romania). De facto, these nations populations genetically are less European than Hungarians.


Do not forget that vast majority of balkan population is not only genetically but anthropogically less white (average darker eye and hair color, skin tone) so-called „WOG” people. Just type in google image searcher: „eye color map” , „hair color map”.


Skin tone map:



Hair color map



Eye color map:
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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N1C1 - it is not the Mongolian haplogroup. It is group of the Baltic (Finn), the second Russian group after R1a1.
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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There was a story in the news recently where they said that modern Europeans have three layers rather than two as previously though, and the most recent one is indeed Central or East Asian, it entered after the agricultural wave from the Middle East. It is not very strong genetically, but still very widespread among Europeans, similar to the Neanderthal genes. Basically, most Europeans are related to American Indians

Found a source:
http://news.discovery.com/human/dna-...mix-140918.htm
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:49 PM
 
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What is this, a Whiter-than-Thou thread?

The Balkans were populated from the Near East via Turkey, but also via the Caucasus, especially Romania and Bulgaria. Romania and Bulgaria also were on the path of the Celtic migrations into Europe, and had a Gothic invasion, as well, and the Scythians (mainly R1a, but possibly some Mongoloid). And later on, there was the Roman expansion into that area. So the Romans would have brought with them whatever the Italian genome contains (E1b1 and J, among others).

The Balkans are a mixed bag, very culturally rich and diverse. Is there a problem?
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:49 PM
 
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But yes, scientists believe that the group N is formed in the Altai 10 thousand years. In general, it is a very complex topic. Too little data accumulated, researchers conducted tests too little excavation.
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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N1C1 - it is not the Mongolian haplogroup. It is group of the Baltic (Finn), the second Russian group after R1a1.
Is this the one that used to be called "N3"? That one originated somewhere around Qinghai Province, or that general vicinity.
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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But yes, scientists believe that the group N is formed in the Altai 10 thousand years. In general, it is a very complex topic. Too little data accumulated, researchers conducted tests too little excavation.
Yes, and the knowledge of how to read the genome is still being developed. "Discoveries" are constantly being revised.
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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Is this the one that used to be called "N3"? That one originated somewhere around Qinghai Province, or that general vicinity.
Yes, that's right.
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:18 PM
 
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By the way, OP, your skin color map has some errors. Here's the one the UN uses:

Skin colour map (indigenous people) | GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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interesting topic...if you're from hungary then you should know that bulgarians and hungarians are somewhat related given that the first have accompanied the latter during Attila the Hun's invasion of europe.
The bulgarians though most likely weren't huns but an iranian/aryan tribe that was controlled by Mongols for some reason. Then they may have had mixed a bit with hungarians and then when they arrived in europe - they mixed with slavs. This doesn't make them mongols or slavs though.
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