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Do you want to compare that to the multitude of actual criminal convictions of sex offences, fraud, theft, child abuse charges, among others, levelled at members of the existing political triad (particularly labour and lib dem MPs)?
Where's the detailed and rigorous media examination of these degenerates?
Bottom line, every political party has scumbags. UKIP may indeed have a higher proportion of scumbags of a certain type given its leanings, but if you want to make it reflective of the party proper, their core policies, I'm afraid you're going to have to try much harder.
Don't you think Nigel Farage looks on edge all the time though?
I know its them ISLAMICS TRYING TO PUSH US TO SHARIA LAW AND ISLAMIC LANGUAGE.
Keep smacking your head like that and you might even start seeing sense.
All the more amusing, because for a while, I studied the Quran and even learned and used the basic Muslim greetings to be hospitable to friends.
Though I may not agree with their religious views, I admire Muslims for the fact that their traditional family views are diametrically opposed to the contemporary liberal mindset.
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So what then Immigration is more of a problem than everything I mentioned?
Oh come on.
Let's try another approach.
You are a hostess at a party and you have guests coming over for a social function. Having guests over is a good thing because it means you can secure business deals, expand the investment horizons of the firm you work for.
You are a hostess at a party and you have guests coming over for a social function. Having guests over is a good thing because it means you can secure business deals, expand the investment horizons of the firm you work for.
Who would you allow into your function?
No I wouldn't but we are not talking in general terms we're talking about a political party. If a lot of Racists, sexists etc are attracted to that party doesn't that mean that the party must of have those tendencies?
No I wouldn't but we are not talking in general terms we're talking about a political party. If a lot of Racists, sexists etc are attracted to that party doesn't that mean that the party must of have those tendencies?
All those Labour Party members (most of them MPs) convicted or charged of sex offences means that every Labour Party member is a sex offender? Tell me how your reasoning works here.
Not that this has anything to do with the question I asked. What would you do as the hostess?
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I don't really know well about UK politics but it's undeniably true that "racist" is used whenever there's an attempt to debate immigration.
Sometimes it's justified (Golden Dawn, several right-wing parties in Northern Europe), otherwise it's just meant to silence the rival (at least in Italy is often this way).
The problem of debating immigration is that nobody can understand that the real solution is in the middle but people keep talking of extremes: are you against immigration? you are Nazi, are you all in favour? You stupid commie/liberal/etc
I don't really know well about UK politics but it's undeniably true that "racist" is used whenever there's an attempt to debate immigration.
Sometimes it's justified (Golden Dawn, several right-wing parties in Northern Europe), otherwise it's just meant to silence the rival (at least in Italy is often this way).
The problem of debating immigration is that nobody can understand that the real solution is in the middle but people keep talking of extremes: are you against immigration? you are Nazi, are you all in favour? You stupid commie/liberal/etc
I disagree with the first 2 commas it's wrong to claim that Borghezio and a few other high ranking Lega Nord politicians (Buonanno, Bossi) aren't racist, in Italy the word racism is actually brought up when necessary, ours is certainly not a politically correct country and it shows sometimes.
Completely agree with the third, we should find a balance and once we find it stick to it.
I disagree with the first 2 commas it's wrong to claim that Borghezio and a few other high ranking Lega Nord politicians (Buonanno, Bossi) aren't racist, in Italy the word racism is actually brought up when necessary, ours is certainly not a politically correct country and it shows sometimes.
Completely agree with the third, we should find a balance and once we find it stick to it.
That's true, it's also that, while I completely disagree with Salvini, too often some right points( the few ones at least)he makes (Legge Fornero, control on immigration, stupidity of ius soli etc) are dismissed because of "racism".
Then, the fact of having people like Calderoli, Borghezio or Buonanno is just an insult to those who died to free Italy from Nazi occupiers.
That's true, it's also that, while I completely disagree with Salvini, too often some right points( the few ones at least)he makes (Legge Fornero, control on immigration, stupidity of ius soli etc) are dismissed because of "racism".
Then, the fact of having people like Calderoli, Borghezio or Buonanno is just an insult to those who died to free Italy from Nazi occupiers.
Salvini isn't racist, although he's part of a party where many of the politician are and he costantly has to dig up their mistakes, i agree with a possible change of Legge Fornero and the Ius Soli, control on immigration is another matter that simply takes more time to talk about but i mostly agree to let in a set numbers of immigrants over the course of the year, it's advantageous both from an economical and social point of view (I think that the current number is about the right number more or less, but with the upcoming crisis in Libya, we should see a surge of immigration this year and in the next few as well)
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