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Old 07-12-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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Greece is having some serious problems but due to it's small economy it will have limited influence on EU economy.

But Italy may do some damage.

Italy?s debt burden now at record high 132% of GDP ? RT Business

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Italy’s debt load is now €2.1659 trillion, the Bank of Italy said Friday. The country’s public debt increased by €31 billion in January, bringing the total close to the record-high of €2.1677 billion euro recorded in July 2014.

Italy’s public debt is only second to Greece in the eurozone.

The main reason debt spiked in January is because the Treasury increased its available liquidity, or money supply, by €36.3 billion euro, bringing the total to €82.6 billions, Italy’s ANSA news agency reported Friday.
Now Italy has diverse economy and great industry.

But it may face difficult circumstances because of demographics.

Can Germans save Italy??
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Old 07-12-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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It will not be.

It's like comparing the United Provinces of Central America to the United States of America. The first one fell apart, the second didn't.

Greece is a fly. Italy is an elephant.
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Old 07-12-2015, 04:59 PM
 
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If Italy falls, the whole EU falls, therefore the whole world.
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Old 07-12-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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If Italy falls, the whole EU falls, therefore the whole world.
I for one welcome our new ant overlords.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:07 AM
 
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Greece is having some serious problems but due to it's small economy it will have limited influence on EU economy.

But Italy may do some damage.

Italy?s debt burden now at record high 132% of GDP ? RT Business

Now Italy has diverse economy and great industry.

But it may face difficult circumstances because of demographics.

Can Germans save Italy??
The BIG difference between Greece and Italy is that Italian banks and investors own a very large chunk of Italian debt:

ECB Government Debt Holders - Business Insider

If Italy defaulted on its debt, it would hurt its banks and domestic investors first and foremost, then foreign investors and banks. The ECB/troika/etc has nowhere close to the bargaining power that it had with Greece.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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I hope but doubt that countries like USA & Italy learn from Greece. Italy would throw the world for a loop, USA or China defaulting would destroy the world's economics.
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Old 07-13-2015, 12:39 PM
 
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I hope but doubt that countries like USA & Italy learn from Greece. Italy would throw the world for a loop, USA or China defaulting would destroy the world's economics.
China? nearly impossible. China's external debt is 10% of GDP and its sheer forex reserve is four times its external debt.

US default is impossible either in theory. The Fed can simply print more greenback to repay whatever amount of debt it owes.
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Old 07-13-2015, 04:05 PM
 
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If Italy falls, the whole EU falls, therefore the whole world.
The same goes for Spain.
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Old 07-13-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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If Italy falls, the whole EU falls, therefore the whole world.
Still, Italy has a competitiveness problem as its growth (or lack of growth) is consistently lower than all major economies in the Eurozone and has been lower for quite some time now.

If Italy's economy continues to underperform, a debt crisis in the future cannot be avoided.
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Old 07-13-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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Look here, Italy is totally the worse since 2008:

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