Is Belarus a dictatorship? (moving, friendly, Hungary, travel)
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1000 years + old murky, distorted and lied over period of an obscure history is still fresh and important for the Russian minds ( and WW2 ended just a few hours ago if you are a Russian). That's peculiar Russian way of legitimation of the pretenses and compensation for the misery of today' existence.
Now you know, dont start any historical ponderings if there is a Russian in sight. History is a weapon to legitimate Russia' rights and to witness its glory and greatness. Russians cannot be rational, honest and dispationate about any mythologized chapter of their history, no matter how ancient. Imperial exceptionalism and conditioning doesnt allow that.
I didn't intend this thread to be about Russia, past or present.
tribes were illiterate busy surving a day. Greek monks writing chronicles on the behalf of the princes feeding them were the original propagandists. Naturally, 200 years of mayhem to control and unite the tribes and rulers refusing to unite required some ideological foundations as revealed in chronicles. And yet, before Golden Horde injected Muscovites with treachery and blood lust, all the attempts at unification failed.
Birchbark manuscripts show the mass distribution of writing at that time. Unfortunately, you are changing history to your advantage. At the same time you accuse Russians of Nazism, but you do not see that new government in Kiev gained power with the support of neo-Nazis from "Right sector". Typical propaganda.
Again, since in all probability the Poles are the "purest" descendants of the mother of all Slavic tribes, Russians positioning themselves as the natural uniters preserving all that purity etc. is a nonsensical claim on multiple levels.
I do not know what you mean by the word "positioning". Russians understand that their country - a multinational country. Even the term "Russian" - it collective name for many tribes, if you delve into history. As such, the term "American".
Birchbark manuscripts show the mass distribution of writing at that time. Unfortunately, you are changing history to your advantage. At the same time you accuse Russians of Nazism, but you do not see that new government in Kiev gained power with the support of neo-Nazis from "Right sector". Typical propaganda.
Bulk of the birch bark manuscripts date to 1200 or later, i.e. the times when Kievan Rus ceased to exist. 1000 or so of the discovered (mostly in Russia) birch bark manuscripts dont show mass literacy unless you want to imagine it. We can deduct that from the fact that overall literacy rates in the Russian Empire circa 1900 (i.e. 200 years worth of the forced modernization and mass education) stood at 25% which probably translates to 2.5% literacy rate in 1400.
How pravii sector is more neo nazi than you? Explain. Simple labeling and demonization wouldnt do. Do they call for annexations, invasions, re uniting the divided nation, strong leader, xenophobia, do they deny the right of Russia/language/people to exist? What else is so neo nazi about PS? An average Russian, just like you, is way more neo nazi than a cardholding PS member.
Neo nazism:
Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism, and initiating the Fourth Reich. Holocaust denial is a common feature, as is incorporation of Nazi symbols and admiration of Adolf Hitler.
Most of the above applies to an averaged Russian (and it doesnt apply to PS), but Russians go further they combine neo nazism and neo stalinism. Did you read that link to Illya Frank opinion on the stifling nazism that permeates Russia? Here it is again."
"I am leaving because nazism is engulfing Russia". He is not talking about 2,500 of PS members, he's talking about 100,000,000 of the nazi crazed Russian adults goose stepping behind the fearless leader.
I do not know what you mean by the word "positioning". Russians understand that their country - a multinational country. Even the term "Russian" - it collective name for many tribes, if you delve into history. As such, the term "American".
Common, you know Russian Imperial mythology well to pretend that you dont know what I am talking about. triune Russian nation is a Russophile ideology which sees the Russian nation comprise three historical, regional branches: Great Russians, Little Russians and White Russians. An imperial nation-building dogma, Russians unsuccessfully attempted to transform their Empire into a nation-state on the basis of a triune "All-Russian" nationality that consisted of, in addition to ethnic Russians, all indigenous East Slavic inhabitants of historic Ruthenia
Bulk of the birch bark manuscripts date to 1200 or later, i.e. the times when Kievan Rus ceased to exist. 1000 or so of the discovered (mostly in Russia) birch bark manuscripts dont show mass literacy unless you want to imagine it. We can deduct that from the fact that overall literacy rates in the Russian Empire circa 1900 (i.e. 200 years worth of the forced modernization and mass education) stood at 25% which probably translates to 2.5% literacy rate in 1400.
You are wrong. Birchbark manuscripts date from the 11th century. Ordinary people write, children, women (which is amazing)! Literacy was a mass in those years. By the 15th century, literacy has declined markedly.
"On July 26, 1951, during excavations in Novgorod, a Soviet expedition led by Artemiy Artsikhovsky found the first Russian birch bark writing in a layer dated to c. 1400. Since then, more than 1,000 similar documents were discovered in Staraya Russa, Smolensk, Torzhok, Pskov, Tver, Moscow, Ryazan, and Vologda,[18] although Novgorod remains by far the most prolific source of them. In Ukraine, birch bark documents were found in Zvenyhorod, Volynia. In Belarus, several documents were unearthed in Vitebsk and Mstislavl.
The late discovery of birch documents, as well as their amazing state of preservation, is explained by a deep culture layer in Novgorod (up to eight meters, or 25 feet) and heavy waterlogged clay soil which prevents the access of oxygen. Serious excavations in Novgorod started only in 1932, although some attempts had been made in the 19th century.
Although their existence was mentioned in some old East Slavic manuscripts, the discovery of birch bark documents (Russian: берестяна́я гра́мота, berestyanáya grámota, and also grámota in those documents) significantly changed the understanding of the cultural level and language spoken by the East Slavs between the 11th and 15th centuries." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_bark_manuscript
"The disintegration, or parcelling of the polity of Kievan Rus' in the 11th century resulted in considerable population shifts and a political, social, and economic regrouping. The resultant effect of these forces coalescing was the marked emergence of new peoples.[29] While these processes began long before the fall of Kiev, its fall expedited these gradual developments into a significant linguistic and ethnic differentiation among the Rus' people into Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Russians."
Divided by the Russian, Ukrainians and Belarusian were not in the 11th century. I am surprised that it is in Wikipedia. Even the term "Rus" was not used for the entire territory of the country at the time. In Novgorod people wrote "go to Rus" (go to Kiev) at the time.
And 11 century is a reduction of Kiev as the capital of the state. Numerous migrants from Kiev land in the northeast have become an important factor in creating a unified Old Rus nation at this time. To say that the reduction of Kiev - is the cause of the separation of ancient Rus on Russian, Ukrainian and Belarus - it is not true!
I am amazed at the Russian comrades projecting their need for a unified Rus (they represent, naturally) nation onto the ancient past that didnt even recognize the concept of a nation.
Never mind the fact that the combined efforts of the Muscovy and the Russian/Soviet Empire, having all the assimilation and repression tools modernity has to offer, couldnt achieve unification levels they allege the ancient forest and swamp dwellers achieved in just 20 or 30 years when Kievan Rus resembled a centralized entity. Say no to mindless projections, comrades.
Russian nazi mythology 101. There was a whole, it broke in the pieces, Russian piece remained pure and wholesome unlike the rest, whose Russianness was spoiled. It is the Russian duty to reunite and cleanse.
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